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Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 02-19-13 | 10:59 AM
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Old 02-19-13 | 12:42 PM
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Yes NY is a real dream state. Everyone I've ever talked to has nothing but nice things to say about NYer's. In addition you treat each other and all visitors with such respect and kindness especially when driving. You are indeed a special breed....

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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH...
Yes NY is a real dream state. Everyone I've ever talked to has nothing but nice things to say about NYer's. In addition you treat each other and all visitors with such respect and kindness especially when driving. You are indeed a special breed....
as someone who has lived in DC, NYC, Jersey, and escaped them all to Oklahoma, I can say that drivers in the NYC metro area are FAR better than those inside the loop in DC. Worst drivers I've ever seen in the US.
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Old 02-19-13 | 12:50 PM
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as someone who has lived in DC, NYC, Jersey, and escaped them all to Oklahoma, I can say that drivers in the NYC metro area are FAR better than those inside the loop in DC. Worst drivers I've ever seen in the US.
I drive the beltway everyday....no way!
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RUOkie
as someone who has lived in DC, NYC, Jersey, and escaped them all to Oklahoma, I can say that drivers in the NYC metro area are FAR better than those inside the loop in DC. Worst drivers I've ever seen in the US.
Add gray hair and senility to the above and you have the drivers in SFL. See tag line below.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:15 PM
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Add gray hair and senility to the above and you have the drivers in SFL. See tag line below.
Agreed. Is snowbird season over yet???
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:25 PM
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I drive the beltway everyday....no way!
By far the worst driving I've seen outside of Europe, and I'm in that area once or twice a year.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:25 PM
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I drive the beltway everyday....no way!
hrm...
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:26 PM
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Yes NY is a real dream state. Everyone I've ever talked to has nothing but nice things to say about NYer's. In addition you treat each other and all visitors with such respect and kindness especially when driving. You are indeed a special breed....
Oh thank you!

You are too, too kind!

And wise beyond your ears . . . I mean, years.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:26 PM
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By far the worst driving I've seen outside of Europe, and I'm in that area once or twice a year.

That is why I said "in the US" Drivers in Europe and the Middle East (at least Israel) are much worse.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:29 PM
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Driving-wise, Jersey is pretty special.
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I still have nightmares about the first time I was picked up at the Rome airport and driven into town, shivering just thinking about it.
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Driving-wise, Jersey is pretty special.
Correct.

When I lived in Delaware we were regularly invaded by those guys.

I thought I was rid of them out here in Central New York, but I see those little yellow license plates up here too.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:41 PM
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I've driven through waaaaaaaaay too much of the country in the last few years. In general, I'd say that, on the whole, NYC drivers are typically much more aware than just about anyplace else. Yes, they're aggressive, but predictably so - driving in NYC involves far less guesswork than elsewhere. The drivers in MN (along with most of the country) are courteous, oblivious and more unpredictable. Moving back here, I never thought that I'd swear in traffic *more* than in NYC, but my language has gotten downright salty in the car.
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:50 PM
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I have driven in NYC once and it was not too bad. Montreal is probably the worst that I have experienced.
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By far the worst driving I've seen outside of Europe, and I'm in that area once or twice a year.
One or twice a year vs everyday...well heck in that case I guess that would make you more of an authority on driving the beltway. Which part of the beltway do you find to be the worst...can't wait for this one as he scrambles to google....
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Old 02-19-13 | 01:55 PM
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oh thank you!

You are too, too kind!

And wise beyond your years.
true....
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I see those little pukish, faded pale yellow license plates up here too.
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I still have nightmares about the first time I was picked up at the Rome airport and driven into town, shivering just thinking about it.
My lingering nightmare is still, after 30-some years, Jamaica, W.I.

Traveling a mountain road built along a precipice barely wide enough for 2 lanes, and seeing an old, delapidated, truck coming the other way, overloaded with live chicken crates piled high and leaning ominously into your lane . . . and you're in the outside lane . . . is enough to make you soil your pants and make promises to the Almighty!
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Old 02-19-13 | 03:35 PM
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Old 02-19-13 | 03:42 PM
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Old 02-19-13 | 04:04 PM
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Montreal is probably the worst that I have experienced.
I learned to drive in Montreal. Any wonder that I became a race car driver?

Montreal's problem is that space is limited, being on an island, so the road network just kinda grew organically. Nothing is really logically laid out; you have to know where you are going. If you do know the road network, it isn't bad at all. If you are new, it looks like chaos.

No, the worst drivers I've ever encountered are all in Florida. Well, not counting Afghanistan.

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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH...
One or twice a year vs everyday...well heck in that case I guess that would make you more of an authority on driving the beltway. Which part of the beltway do you find to be the worst...can't wait for this one as he scrambles to google....
We drive it from 95 all the way to Vienna, so that's 15+ miles, and it's a massive facepalm EVERY time. Of course with idiots like you as the regular customers, that's hardly surprising.

Ride your motorcycle a lot this year, and remember, helmets are for Honda Wussies.
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Old 02-19-13 | 05:11 PM
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with idiots like you as the regular customers, that's hardly surprising....
Exactly...and my motorcycle helmet has the strength of an egg shell and I like it that way. Of course you know the saying'' If you have a $10 head wear a $10 dollar helmet'', so I do. However if you'll mail me $1.00 I send you yours...
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