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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... (Post 15289074)

You saw me there when i was in Tennessee a couple of months ago didn't you?

I thought you were done at 3800? No need to carry on with your Missed Connections.

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Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 15289123)

I thought....

That's where the trouble starts and that's how you got the name Gomer....

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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... (Post 15289101)

Shoudn't you be boning up for tomorrows disater,errrrrr... surgery?

Boning up? I could think of better words to use.

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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... (Post 15289089)

You go with me sawbones and watch me work my magic on a 24oz t-bone!

God almighty, just thinking about a 24 ounce steak makes me hurl. I can just see them settling into your arteries . Yuch! 6 ounces is all I could even think of eating in one setting.

Meh. Mr. TS got a chunk of something in his eye. Urban ER waiting rooms have to be one of the levels of hell.

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Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 15288787)

Evolution, genetic adaptation , certainly is important. I believe the real difference is fairly simple and that though we are programmed, some more effectively than others , to store fat, that the reasons for the obesity epidemic are really quite different. One thing is for certain, the genetics present in this age of staggering obesity are no different than the genetics of our farmer for-fathers. Genetic variability does not occur that quickly.
One very interesting graph charting obesity from 1900, where we are very thin, shows a slight increase from the age of the automobile but still a relatively stable and flat curve. Around 1976 this curve goes exponentially up and just keeps on climbing. This was the time that the Japanese developed the techniques to make high fructose corn syrup. Now I am really not convinced there is any inherent evil in HFCS, one thing it does do though is stabilize foods that are frozen and processed, giving it a longer shelf life and a better "mouth feel". This substance has been instrumental in the explosion of snack foods, many targeted specifically at children now home alone in two parent worker families. Parallel and just slightly staggered to this obesity curve is another graph charting the number of snack food/ processed foods available in this nation, from 1900 on an essentially flat line but around 1976 it just goes up exponentially. Food for thought! Are the two related?
We as a society eat very differently that prior eras. When I was growing up snacking was forbidden except for fruit in the afternoon after school. When we went to the beach on the weekend or on a trip to a park, part of the trip was packing a picnic for our meal. Now any given stretch of suburban USA road shows food outlets in numbers that are crazy. When you mix all the above with an organism that " evolved" in times of want where fat storage was critical for life, what was advantageous has now shifted to a danger and disease producer rather than cure.

The way I see it, genetics loads the gun and modern lifestyle and environment pulls the trigger. Anyone who says they are fat because of genetics is looking for an excuse. We are all genetically predisposed to storing fat and to over-eat fat and sugary foods. What has changed in the last 30 years is the availability of these foods. Apart from restaurants expanding portions, food manufacturers deliberately add sugar and fats to make food delicious to our genetically sweet and fat seeking behaviour. This is particularly the case for fast food and beverage makers.

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Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 15289055)

You're a Limey?

No. Scottish folks do not call ourselves "Limey's".

I went to Penicuik High School for a year. We lived outside of Edinburgh in a 200 year old cottage named Glenburnie. It was different than LA, that's for sure.

I used to eat a lot of microwave lasagne. That explains why I've been feeling hoarse.

The UCI is the bottomless well of cycling stupid that keeps on giving.

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Originally Posted by truckstop (Post 15289360)

Meh. Mr. TS got a chunk of something in his eye. Urban ER waiting rooms have to be one of the levels of hell.

Nothing better than the numbing drops they put in the eye. That's one of the levels of heaven.

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Originally Posted by truckstop (Post 15289360)

Meh. Mr. TS got a chunk of something in his eye. Urban ER waiting rooms have to be one of the levels of hell.

Yikes.

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Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 15289477)

The UCI is the bottomless well of cycling stupid that keeps on giving.

Big deal.

http://kmxtrikes.com/

Pcad your next ride is here

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Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 15289477)

The UCI is the bottomless well of cycling stupid that keeps on giving.

Eventually someone will come up with a bit for a power screwdriver to spin the nut out, like a NASCAR pit crew using an air impact wrench on the lug nuts.

You're welcome world.

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 15289513)

Nothing better than the numbing drops they put in the eye. That's one of the levels of heaven.

After almost four and a half hours of waiting, he just got the numbing drops.

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Originally Posted by truckstop (Post 15289692)

After almost four and a half hours of waiting, he just got the numbing drops.

That really sucks, TS. I do feel his pain.

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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 15289473)

No. Scottish folks do not call ourselves "Limey's".

Why not? It's part of the same little island.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...April_2002.jpg

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Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 15289477)

The UCI is the bottomless well of cycling stupid that keeps on giving.

We'll defer to your expertise.

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Why do you sign every post like it's a memo from the boss?

Because it bugs you. :P

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Canadian iron coffin driver

Commander - the driver is the junior guy.

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One thing is for certain, the genetics present in this age of staggering obesity are no different than the genetics of our farmer for-fathers. Genetic variability does not occur that quickly.

Agreed. Each iteration of the evolution clock is, at best, one generation - and that assumes each iteration presents an adaptation that is then immediately selected for. Variability - the engine that drives adaptation - is not that high, and (especially with modern medical care) the selection side is nowhere as effective as it was in prehistory. No matter what your genetics are these days, we can keep you around long enough to breed in most cases.

Evolution got us here, but it won't get us out.

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One very interesting graph charting obesity from 1900, where we are very thin, shows a slight increase from the age of the automobile but still a relatively stable and flat curve. Around 1976 this curve goes exponentially up and just keeps on climbing. This was the time that the Japanese developed the techniques to make high fructose corn syrup. Now I am really not convinced there is any inherent evil in HFCS, one thing it does do though is stabilize foods that are frozen and processed, giving it a longer shelf life and a better "mouth feel". This substance has been instrumental in the explosion of snack foods, many targeted specifically at children now home alone in two parent worker families. Parallel and just slightly staggered to this obesity curve is another graph charting the number of snack food/ processed foods available in this nation, from 1900 on an essentially flat line but around 1976 it just goes up exponentially. Food for thought! Are the two related?

Unquestionably in my mind - because "snack foods" are also incredibly calorie-dense. It's not just that you're eating/snacking, it's that the snack foods are almost entirely calories by weight. So almost every single gram of that bag of Doritos has the potential to become "you" in the form of fat. Compare to, say, celery, which is mostly water and undigestible cellulose by weight, so very little of what is consumed has the potential to be permanently "you".

If you are a constant snacker, and you are eating these sorts of foods, you have to be producing an extremely high level of output energy to burn them all off - much more than even an active "farmer" or "manual labour" lifestyle requires - never mind a mostly sedentary lifestyle.

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Physical labor was still a required part of life when I was younger (wood heat meant cutting tree, splitting wood, stacking cord wood), and it seems that that requirement continues to disappear.

Agreed - and I would add along to it, a crippling inability to deal well with discomfort (both physical and mental). I see that all the time with new recruits.

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But here is a real evolution question: barring the morbidly obese, every human being has the same number (within a fairly close range) of fat storage cells. When you lose weight, these cells don't go away, they just reduce in size and are functionally empty. Why? We all inherently have the same capacity to fill our fat cells and be obese. If the argument is that original man had insufficient access to high calorie input, why so many storage units? I am not proposing any rationale, it is just a tidbit I always find interesting.

I think - and we're running into the limits of my biology here - that there's no upper limit on how full these cells can be filled. So a high number distributes them more or less evenly around the body so that you don't get a concentration of weight in a single place (like the hump on a camel) - or perhaps more specifically, the accumulation occurs in places where the weight is easily carried.

One of the surprises I got from that body scanner is that body fat percentage on an limb-by-limb basis is mostly even. I thought, based on my gut, that body fat percentage on my torso would be high, on my legs about middle, and arms (I have scrawny arms) would be low - but it was the same on everything. When you lose weight, you "deflate"; it doesn't come off in zones.

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Absolutely agreed.

DG

I wonder what my body fat percentage is?

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Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 15289747)

Why not? It's part of the same little island.

Same reason I don't call you a Razorback. I mean, you're all down south there, right?

But the definition says someone from Britain (the island).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limey

Yes, but if you look closer, it generally says, "more towards the English", or some such. I didn't read it, but that's generally the case.

Either way, call my Mom a Limey, she would likely kick your ass.

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Originally Posted by RecceDG (Post 15289768)

Who?