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Old 11-05-04 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
.... wheres the gig d'jour?

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Fkn Hastings.
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Old 11-05-04 | 09:44 PM
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Fkn Hastings.

....a wild & wooly bunch down that way?...be marginally better than Franga I 'spose (& heaps better than Kalkallo!!! )...lol...I still can't believe those hill billys have 'entertainment'......other than punching each others face in that is!

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Old 11-05-04 | 09:52 PM
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Bikes: how long have you got?

.......its absolutely p!ssing down here now...guess a ride is outta the question today now...might have to hit the treadmill in the gym...might even run into Big Ed, (who has abandoned us of late I notice)

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Old 11-05-04 | 09:54 PM
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Don't think I've played at Hastings before. All the towns down that way have
a strange mix of Franga bogan types, and the super-hip Mt Eliza surfy types.

I still can't believe we survived at the Kalkallo without either our faces or our cars getting smashed
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Old 11-05-04 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
.......its absolutely p!ssing down here now
It's gunna clear up

https://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR022.loop.shtml


The Sun's out, here in East Bentleigh
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Old 11-05-04 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
It's gunna clear up

https://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR022.loop.shtml


The Sun's out, here in East Bentleigh

...not from where I'm sitting.....far to much of the 'yellow' on the radar over my head!...im giving it 1/2 hour then I'm going ta gym

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Old 11-06-04 | 05:28 AM
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...cool...'the Aussie thread @ bike forums international weekend away to Gosford'...I'm up for it....but munchie has gotta shave or wax first!....so whose arranging to get the T-shirts printed!....lets do it......Oh yeah, one question.....where the fark is Gosford?

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Come on down! I'll introduce to you my friends Kariong, Moonie, and "Pie in the Sky". We could even take a quick trip out to Bumble Hill just for the heck of it. Should be fun for all.

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Old 11-06-04 | 05:43 AM
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Are any of you Victorians familiar with 'Cecil Walker Cycles'? The have great prices at their website - Polar S720I With Free Cadence and USB Down Loader only $589. And they say they now have Ultegra 10 speed in.

Oi Scoz,

this might be of interest...goes off this time monday nite...could be worth a bid...I see he's got the other stuff you were after as well (sellers other items)
https://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....111351934&rd=1

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Old 11-06-04 | 06:29 AM
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Gday Could anybody tell me where in australia i can get brooks saddles
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Old 11-06-04 | 06:47 AM
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Bikes: Pinarello Sestriere (steel) with Veloce 10 speed & Campagnolo Shamal Ultra wheelset, De Rosa Vision (Alu) with Chorus 11 and Campagnolo Bora One 50 wheelset Bianchi 1885 with Centaur groupset and Zonda wheelset 2003 GT Avalanche 0.0 MTB

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No worries about asking any questions about what I've been looking at. I'd hate to think I was missing something because I'm a noob fool. So fire em at me.
What about PRINCIPIA....have you looked at them?
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Old 11-06-04 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
nah....it was P!ssing down when I got up this morning....& still drizzelling now...which is why I'm stuck behind the keyboard rather than out attacking my own personal alpe d'huez. I need a good ride badly, took 2 weeks off after 'round the bay' & am hanging to get back into it...but the weather is too sad to be true!.....Both the 486 & the training bike are immaculately clean at the moment, while I doubt mind riding in the rain, I HATE having to clean the bike after!....anyone wanna do that for me?....guys?......Huh...call yourselves Australians!

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How many times have you done the 'round the bay'. How long did it take you?
I did it for the first time this year with some friends so I took my time about it.
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Old 11-06-04 | 07:37 AM
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Oi Saccy,

In 'ride', page 130....there's a new shop at katoomba called 'velo nova', (my rudimentary knowledge of NSW geography has me thinking this ain't to far from Bathurst?)......you checked this out?....self proclaimed 'newest, coolest bike shop'.....the ad looks like they have all "THE" brands...might be one for you to check out if you haven't already, (& if it is within a 1000 miles of you!)

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Farkin 'ell Hitchy! Do you read every word of those mags, cover to cover? What a non-descript, anonymous add. But yeah, Katoomba's practically around the corner. I got a mate a few miles furthur on who bought a new house a few weeks back who I'm going to go see i nthe next couple of weeks, so I'll check that out for sure. Thanks for that.

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What about PRINCIPIA....have you looked at them?
WTF? Never heard of them. Hang on while I fire up google. Fark me there's some crazy **** associated with that name. As for the bike site. Don't look to bad at all. All Aluminium though aren't they? Remember the motto, "He with the most carbon wins!". If that was the case I'd be losing on those things. But I'm not sure if "Hitchy's First Law" is the be all and end all, so I'll keep an open mind. Anyone know what they're like? Bit hard to find retailers selling them?


Okay, now in to the land of the truly sureal. Was showing the little lady the Orbea Vento in Ride today. Left the magazine with her for a second and she had a flick. A couple of seconds later she came upon the Onix C. "Ooo, get that one!" She says. I point out to her where it says 4.8k, and explain that that means $4800.00. She says she doesn't care and that I should buy it (got to be the C as she likes the look of the Campy Vento wheels better). I'm like gobsmacked. Letting me spend that much money on myself?!?!? So anyway, I get to thinking. You dudes know anything about them? If it was up to you guys would you get that, or one of last years Specialized Roubaix Comps with crappy Shimano 540 wheels for $4000?

Hey Hitchy. Do me a favour. Go find an Orbea dealer and go take an Onix for a ride and tell me if it's sh1t or not.

An Orbea carbon frame to compete with the Giant TCR? That's got to be dodgy doesn't it?

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Old 11-06-04 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
G'day Kilbourne,

No contest.......at these prices the Learsport is the better deal!.....Both frames will be Taiwanese welded Alu, regardless of what trek claim, (prorbaly even the same factory). Trek has a lifetime warranty, against the Learsport's 15 yrs (which is a lifetime for an Alu frame!), The Learsport comes with Wellgo clipless pedals, the Trek none, (the welgo's are cheap but it'll save you buying any until you know what you want...but you will need shoes).....the biggest difference of all is the Tiagra vs Sora...for the $50 price difference, I'd be jumping at the Tiagra......Where are you situated?.....reason I ask is that the Trek link you supplied, won't actually sell it to you online, (see online policy), so unless you're close you'll have to arrange some otherway to pick it up. For any bike they ship, they'll want another $38 odd for shipping (see their shipping charges). Dean woods has the Learsport at the same price, in both colours & will ship for free....I've done business with them before & never had any problems....check this link https://www.deanwoods.com.au/ If your choice is between these 2 bikes...it's no choice really...goodluck, let us know how you go,

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Went and checked out the Learsport today and really liked it. The only problem is that the Trek is made in a 63cm frame and the Learsport is a 60cm. I'm about 198cm tall. The Learsport was comfortable but i need to raise the handlebar height.

There's a Learsport factory direct retailer in Canberra and they sell it for $1100, but the guy said he will price match and beat it by 10%. Dean Woods has it for $1050, so that would be $950 which is an awesome price for that bike. I'll pick it up on Wednesday when i get paid lots of moula. Now i just have to find somewhere cheap to buy all the gismos, ie. computer, pump, saddle-bag etc.
Thanks for the advice hitchy, ill let you know how it goes once i get it.

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Old 11-06-04 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilbourne
Went and checked out the Learsport today and really liked it. The only problem is that the Trek is made in a 63cm frame and the Learsport is a 60cm. I'm about 198cm tall. The Learsport was comfortable but i need to raise the handlebar height.
If you're tall, you've really gotta watch out for short head-tubes and cut off fork steerers
because these can severely limit how high you can move the bars.

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Old 11-06-04 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
..speaking of.....wheres the gig d'jour?
I was wrong; it wasn't Hastings, it was the Western Port Hotel in San Remo.
Where do all those people come from? They can't all live down there, surely


Ain't that kinda your old stomping ground?
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Old 11-06-04 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
I was wrong; it wasn't Hastings, it was the Western Port Hotel in San Remo.
Where do all those people come from? They can't all live down there, surely


Ain't that kinda your old stomping ground?

...geez i hope someone else was driving....you was only gunna miss it by about 70km!...lol......had a few ales there in my time.....I'm from a bit further 'round the coast at Inverloch originally.......San remo...woulda been Ugh boots at 10 paces...lotsa surfers on the island this time o year

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Old 11-06-04 | 11:36 PM
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A few hillbillies but lots of young girlies with big boobies, young enough
to be my children....glad I don't got none.

Whatcha think about Saccy's carbon Orbea prospects?

Better than a carbon Specialized?

I'm not the full on Orbeas, but they seem to be a classy bike -- being made in
Spain, and all
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Old 11-07-04 | 01:05 AM
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So even De Rosa has bad hair days... You guys seen the De Rosa 'Tango? What a mess.
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Old 11-07-04 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
A few hillbillies but lots of young girlies with big boobies, young enough
to be my children....glad I don't got none.

Whatcha think about Saccy's carbon Orbea prospects?

Better than a carbon Specialized?

I'm not the full on Orbeas, but they seem to be a classy bike -- being made in
Spain, and all

I rode the Orca in my 'search for the holy grail'. I liked it, certainly light, a bit 'aggressive' or twitchy in the front end, felt more 'softer' than the 486. I rated it highly, but behind the standouts, 486, VRXS & C50....but higher than the Scott CR1,Madone, 6-13 & miles ahead of the rubbish frames. I like the look of the Onix I saw at the show. The guy told me it was a taiwanese frame, made to Orbea specs & priced to get some of the TCR's market share....I reckon it will do well. I might just have to get me a ride on one o' these. If saccy's missus has said yes, he'd better move quick, cos if she's like most woman, she'll have changed her mind by the end of next week....either that or she's after something for herself that costs a bob ....beware saccy....this bike is gunna cost you heaps in brownie points!

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Old 11-07-04 | 03:56 AM
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So even De Rosa has bad hair days... You guys seen the De Rosa 'Tango? What a mess.

.....someones got their 'Ride' mag!........isn't it a disgrace!....now put those farken Pinerello 'Dogma' forks on it........Now that is a complete disaster....methinks I'd even ride a TCR before that!.....Sometimes I think Frame designers just do this stuff because they can!...I wonder what it does to the ride?

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Originally Posted by Hitchy
.....someones got their 'Ride' mag!........isn't it a disgrace!....now put those farken Pinerello 'Dogma' forks on it........Now that is a complete disaster....methinks I'd even ride a TCR before that!.....Sometimes I think Frame designers just do this stuff because they can!...I wonder what it does to the ride?

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Nope still no magazine! I just visited their website looking for their new range. Does the new magazine feature all the new bikes for 05 does it?

And what you got against a TCR?
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Old 11-07-04 | 04:17 AM
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Nope still no magazine! I just visited their website looking for their new range. Does the new magazine feature all the new bikes for 05 does it?

And what you got against a TCR?
....'Ride' has some piccys of it in a report on some trade show in Milan.....without a shadow of a doubt
the ugliest frame I've ever seen. What do I have against the TCR?....you ever ridden one?...ride a TCR, then go & ridea carbon frame from Look, Colnago or Time.....or many others, then make up your own mind. I don't have anything against the TCR, except that people are riding them, (cos they are so cheap) & judging all carbon frames by that experience. I gotta tell ya, If the only carbon bike I'd ever ridden was the TCR, I'd never have bothered riding another one....I'm sick & tired of people sprouting opinions of carbon frames based on one ride of a TCR. The equipment levels are quite good & real value for money, but the frame is yech!. I say to people, that if you add up the price of all the individual components that a TCR comes with, & that price, excluding the frame, is more than you're paying...then do it, cos you're getting the frame for nothing...which is about what i reckon it's worth!

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Old 11-07-04 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
I rode the Orca in my 'search for the holy grail'. I liked it, certainly light, a bit 'aggressive' or twitchy in the front end, felt more 'softer' than the 486. I rated it highly, but behind the standouts, 486, VRXS & C50....but higher than the Scott CR1,Madone, 6-13 & miles ahead of the rubbish frames. I like the look of the Onix I saw at the show. The guy told me it was a taiwanese frame, made to Orbea specs & priced to get some of the TCR's market share....I reckon it will do well. I might just have to get me a ride on one o' these. If saccy's missus has said yes, he'd better move quick, cos if she's like most woman, she'll have changed her mind by the end of next week....either that or she's after something for herself that costs a bob ....beware saccy....this bike is gunna cost you heaps in brownie points!

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She's changed her mind already. Grr. I wont let her off that easily. She opened that pandoras box, dang nabbit, and I'm going to have a look inside.

Okay fellas. So give it to me. Best bike for 5k. I'll teach her for being a tease.
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
, If the only carbon bike I'd ever ridden was the TCR, I'd never have bothered riding another one
i had a similar experience with aluminium. I had an Evolution hunk of junk with an aluminium fork.
Put me off for a couple of alu years. I only bought another one (1999 Specialized Allez Comp)
because it was just $100 (2nd hand -- frame only), and I wanted something to ride in the rain.
It was so much different to the Evolution, I couldn't believe it. I still can't believe how
nice that cheap Specialized rode.

So, it seems carbon and aluminium can vary greatly.

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Old 11-07-04 | 04:54 AM
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Found this earlier today:

"All Orbea frames are made and painted in Spain and come with a lifetime warranty."

https://www.lifecycle.net.au/index.php/36
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