Criterium Bikes?
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Criterium Bikes?
Are there specific bikes designed for criterium style racing? Last year I was doing some local crits and a guy on my team was saying his bike was a crit "specific" bike, but as far as I know there isn't such a thing. I didn't want to start a debate so i just let it go especially because I am not 100% educated in this area. I know that a few other people I've talked to didn't like doing crit's with there expensive race bikes because they were worried about ruining there nice bikes in a crash but yet they used them in road races.
I'd just like to hear form some people who are more educated in this area to confirm my suspicions or to educate me in this area.
Thanks!!
Edit:
Also the guy I'm refering to only had 1 road bike and it was a nice carbon Fuji of some sort that he claimed to be specific to crits.
I'd just like to hear form some people who are more educated in this area to confirm my suspicions or to educate me in this area.
Thanks!!
Edit:
Also the guy I'm refering to only had 1 road bike and it was a nice carbon Fuji of some sort that he claimed to be specific to crits.
Last edited by Trekathlete; 04-05-13 at 04:02 PM. Reason: Adding some more information
#3
As far as I know, no.
If you're doing a crit, you may want a bike that is a little more on the responsive side, just because you might have a lot of turns. However, we're not talking about a track bike. We're talking about bikes that fall well within standard road geometries.
Now, a specific rider may have a bike that he or she uses mainly for crits, and use another bike for training. And who knows, in this age of hyper-specialization and increasing road bike sales, it's far from inconceivable that a manufacturer will start billing crit-specific bikes. But I for one don't see why you need anything too specific for a crit.
If you're doing a crit, you may want a bike that is a little more on the responsive side, just because you might have a lot of turns. However, we're not talking about a track bike. We're talking about bikes that fall well within standard road geometries.
Now, a specific rider may have a bike that he or she uses mainly for crits, and use another bike for training. And who knows, in this age of hyper-specialization and increasing road bike sales, it's far from inconceivable that a manufacturer will start billing crit-specific bikes. But I for one don't see why you need anything too specific for a crit.
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Bacciagalupe, thanks for your response. I think you pretty much summed up what I think too. Thanks.
#5
Headtube length, stack and reach are the big ones and wheelbase might be a stretch. That being said if it don't fit you don't go fast.
Crit bike criteria:
1) does it fit
If both crit bikes fit than I would go for either the cheaper one or look into my first sentence for more nuances.
Crit bike criteria:
1) does it fit
If both crit bikes fit than I would go for either the cheaper one or look into my first sentence for more nuances.
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thechemist: My bike is fine for crits, road races and I've even done quite a few triathlons on it including an 70.3. My bike fits me well. I was just curious if bike companies actually make bikes or market bikes to criterium racers like my teammate told me. I pretty much understand that any bike can do a crit as long as it fits well but didn't know if there were specific bikes designed for crits.
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Bikes: cannondale crit 3.0, specialized allez, old giant mtb/hybrid
I used to own a cannondale "criterium" 3.0. Steep angles and wicked stiff. I literally had to put a pad on the saddle when I first bought it. twas my first real road bike.
on the other hand I read an article about some guy in south africa winning a Crit (dont know what cat, but he claims he was against dudes rollin on zipps and whatnot.) on his dual suspension MTB that he had locked out, knobby tires and all.
on the other hand I read an article about some guy in south africa winning a Crit (dont know what cat, but he claims he was against dudes rollin on zipps and whatnot.) on his dual suspension MTB that he had locked out, knobby tires and all.
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thechemist: My bike is fine for crits, road races and I've even done quite a few triathlons on it including an 70.3. My bike fits me well. I was just curious if bike companies actually make bikes or market bikes to criterium racers like my teammate told me. I pretty much understand that any bike can do a crit as long as it fits well but didn't know if there were specific bikes designed for crits.
https://www.rideblue.com/company.php
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Bikes: Road bike is a Carbon Bianchi C2C & Grandis (1980's), Gary Fisher Mt Bike, Trek Tandem & Mongoose SS MTB circa 1992.
If I recall back in the day 80's crit bike had steeper angles and shorter wheel base twitchy quick bikes higher BB but I may be wrong I road C-dales and Kliens both fast bikes not for long hauls.......
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Are there specific bikes designed for criterium style racing? Last year I was doing some local crits and a guy on my team was saying his bike was a crit "specific" bike, but as far as I know there isn't such a thing. I didn't want to start a debate so i just let it go especially because I am not 100% educated in this area. I know that a few other people I've talked to didn't like doing crit's with there expensive race bikes because they were worried about ruining there nice bikes in a crash but yet they used them in road races.
I'd just like to hear form some people who are more educated in this area to confirm my suspicions or to educate me in this area.
Thanks!!
Edit:
Also the guy I'm refering to only had 1 road bike and it was a nice carbon Fuji of some sort that he claimed to be specific to crits.
I'd just like to hear form some people who are more educated in this area to confirm my suspicions or to educate me in this area.
Thanks!!
Edit:
Also the guy I'm refering to only had 1 road bike and it was a nice carbon Fuji of some sort that he claimed to be specific to crits.
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Cannondale made their frames with slightly different geometry and marketed them as either criterium or road designs. The criterium had a shorter wheelbase and a bit higher bottom bracket for pedaling through tight corners. But it certainly didn't preclude the bike from being used for other purposes. I used mine for numerous bike tours with full camping equipment in panniers on a rear rack - and it never came near a crit.
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As others are saying, crit bikes don't have radically different geometry, but if you owned multiple bikes you could set one up in a more aggressive position (that you couldn't sustain for a long ride) and call it a crit bike.
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Bikes: '80 Masi Gran Criterium, '12 Trek Madone, early '60s Frejus track
To my knowledge nobody in the US, continental Europe, or Japan has made a "criterium bike" since the mid-1970s. I'm not even sure if there was ever any agreement on what constituted a "crit bike." Certainly, many frames were labeled or marketed as such, but few showed all the features--high bottom bracket, steep angles, and short fork rake--on the same bike. For example, Raleigh Pros had very high bottom brackets but pretty standard angles and fork rakes. My Charles Roberts frames had moderate bottom bracket drop, slightly short fork rakes, and standard 73-degree angles. My '79 Gios was clearly an Italian frame made for export to the US--it had a low bottom bracket per the CONI manual, a standard fork rake, but angles on the steep side of conventional. It was definitely not the same model Roger DeVlaeminck was winning the spring classics on.
I remember a few--a buddy's custom Tanguay that looked like a track bike with road dropouts, another friend's Marinoni with a suspiciously high bottom bracket, and a showroom full of frames that Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
I remember a few--a buddy's custom Tanguay that looked like a track bike with road dropouts, another friend's Marinoni with a suspiciously high bottom bracket, and a showroom full of frames that Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
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To my knowledge nobody in the US, continental Europe, or Japan has made a "criterium bike" since the mid-1970s. I'm not even sure if there was ever any agreement on what constituted a "crit bike." Certainly, many frames were labeled or marketed as such, but few showed all the features--high bottom bracket, steep angles, and short fork rake--on the same bike. For example, Raleigh Pros had very high bottom brackets but pretty standard angles and fork rakes. My Charles Roberts frames had moderate bottom bracket drop, slightly short fork rakes, and standard 73-degree angles. My '79 Gios was clearly an Italian frame made for export to the US--it had a low bottom bracket per the CONI manual, a standard fork rake, but angles on the steep side of conventional. It was definitely not the same model Roger DeVlaeminck was winning the spring classics on.
I remember a few--a buddy's custom Tanguay that looked like a track bike with road dropouts, another friend's Marinoni with a suspiciously high bottom bracket, and a showroom full of frames that Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
I remember a few--a buddy's custom Tanguay that looked like a track bike with road dropouts, another friend's Marinoni with a suspiciously high bottom bracket, and a showroom full of frames that Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
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Criterium bike :
BB shell tiny higher than normal
STA generally is the same than in a road bike.
HTA tend to be steep to help handling.
Shorter wheelbase.
Generally aluminum fits better than carbon, some guys sure still do criterium in steel bikes.
Pretty much that's it.
BB shell tiny higher than normal
STA generally is the same than in a road bike.
HTA tend to be steep to help handling.
Shorter wheelbase.
Generally aluminum fits better than carbon, some guys sure still do criterium in steel bikes.
Pretty much that's it.
#18
The C'dale also had a higher bottom bracket to allow to pedal through corners with more lean. I think that was the major standout of it being called Criterium. I still have my Criterium framed bike, and its very stiff
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As mentioned steeper angles can help a bit with responsiveness. My Spooky Skeletor has a steeper STA and HTA than my Van Dessel. I could race both, but the Spooky has some special cornering characteristics that I feel help in the local crits. However, a competent rider could race any road bike in a crit.
#22
My Stowe "criterium":

Has black tires now. Tough to tell in that angle, but the tire is CLOSE to the DT- if the wire for the cadence sensor is at all slack, it hits the tire.

Has black tires now. Tough to tell in that angle, but the tire is CLOSE to the DT- if the wire for the cadence sensor is at all slack, it hits the tire.
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Davis Phinney had Ben Serotta build his bikes with "crit geometry" when he started racing with 7-Eleven. After their first foray into Europe in '85 they realized that it wouldn't cut it for multi-day tours (and harassment from the peloton) and by '86 they were on a laid back, Euro set-up.
Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
Ben Serotta made before he started equipping the 7-Eleven team with his interpretation of a standard Italian road bike. "Crit bikes" went out of fashion when duffers like me noticed that the guys winning criteriums were doing it on standard road bikes.
Nowadays, below the top tube, road bikes are pretty much based on the standard road racing bike of the late 70s, sized down a centimeter or two--71.5-74 degree head angles, 65-70 mm bottom bracket drop, and 43-45 cm fork offset.
#24
theres only one criterium
https://www.masibikes.com/bikes/steel...criterium-2013
https://www.masibikes.com/bikes/steel...criterium-2013




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