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I have no experience with SRAM, but I have used Ultegra 6500. It shifted well, even under the stress climbing while standing on the pedals. I don't remember much about mt feelings of the ergonomics of the break-hoods, but I'm sure they were at least ok. I'm currently using Dura Ace 7800, and I do remember thinking when I first wrapped my hands around them, "I don't really like this as much as the Ultegra 'hoods." As far as quality, I'm sure both products are fine.
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Originally Posted by chil2makefun
(Post 15685236)
Some of you may know that i'm getting a new bike, i finally decided that i'm going for a complete new one and not a frameset.
So i was at my LBS today and saw a few nice bikes and they can custom build them. But now i don't know which way to go, shimano ultegra or sram force. I don't have any specific needs or whatever. There's is one thing i don't like about campy which i'd like to get rid of now. Namely when i'm down shifting (when you have to use the little lever behind the brake lever) i often don't push it far enough so it simply doesn't shift. So if one of the two has a technique where the lever doesn't have to be pushed as far i'd be happy to hear. Or if you have any experience or thoughts about one of the two or even better, about both please let me know. I'd like to be as informed as i can be because as a student it's hard to save that amount of money so it has to be spot on :) Grtz Jonathan Cheers |
not sure if i can test these at my lbs, but i'll shoot them an email none the less
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Originally Posted by Cat4Lifer
(Post 15689078)
I have no experience with SRAM, but I have used Ultegra 6500. It shifted well, even under the stress climbing while standing on the pedals. I don't remember much about mt feelings of the ergonomics of the break-hoods, but I'm sure they were at least ok. I'm currently using Dura Ace 7800, and I do remember thinking when I first wrapped my hands around them, "I don't really like this as much as the Ultegra 'hoods." As far as quality, I'm sure both products are fine.
Having used both: the next generation of Ultegra is going to be a big improvement over the current one, but isn't likely to be available until very late in the year. Fall, if we're lucky, but more realistically, over the winter. In the current generation, Ultegra is a bit smoother shifting, arguably more durable, a fair bit heavier and quite a bit chunkier in terms of ergonomics. The Ultegra crank blows Force out of the water - it's far superior. Otherwise, it's a tough call. I would try them both and see which one feels best. I think the next generation of Ultegra will probably be clearly superior, but you'll have to wait on that one. |
Originally Posted by Elduderino2412
(Post 15688883)
I can't make myself pay that much for a red cassette.
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Originally Posted by grolby
(Post 15689608)
Ultegra 6500 is two full generations behind the product that the OP is considering. It's completely different, and your impressions of it really aren't relevant.
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LOL. You're the guy who thinks your opinion of a 16 year-old groupset with almost no resemblance to the current generation of Ultegra is going to be useful information.
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youre the guy who peruses online forums gauging the relevancy replies and just itching for an e-fight OMG and LULZ
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Originally Posted by Cat4Lifer
(Post 15689820)
youre the guy who peruses online forums gauging the relevancy replies and just itching for an e-fight OMG and LULZ
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i'm already doing my 'homework' but i'll be getting my new ride around mid august which will probably way too early for the new ultegra, shame though.
EDIT: if i wait 2 more weeks until september there might be a chance they already have it |
Originally Posted by grolby
(Post 15690019)
No, not itching for a fight. I was trying to be helpful to the OP. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you. I was pointing out that your info was unhelpful. You got all bent out of shape over this, and posted a macro image suggesting that I was being overly pedantic. I don't think it's overly pedantic, though, when the group you're reviewing became obsolete 9 years ago. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you, seriously, but I was just pointing out the facts.
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See if you can get demo rides on them both.
If you're having a preference on the brifters, you might as well try them both out before committing. I didn't like the 9 speed Ultegra on my old Cannondale in Vancouver. It felt easy to mix up shifting and braking. The 10 speed Tiagara on my bike now works great. :S |
For information ultegra 6800 11spd is out now, shimano make a lot improvement compare to 6700 series.
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according to bikeradar it should be available in stores around september so i don"t think it's already out now
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Ultegra is awesome. I have 6700 on my road bike. Absolutely love it. Super durable and comfortable. No problems.
Force is awesome. I have new Force on my C.X bike. Absolutely love it. Super durable and comfortable. No problems. The above is all true. But it shows the nature of your problem is not one of an absolute right answer. They have very different feels and functions. Which one YOU prefer should be evident with just a bit of saddle time. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by DinoShepherd
(Post 15691868)
Ultegra is awesome. I have 6700 on my road bike. Absolutely love it. Super durable and comfortable. No problems.
Force is awesome. I have new Force on my C.X bike. Absolutely love it. Super durable and comfortable. No problems. The above is all true. But it shows the nature of your problem is not one of an absolute right answer. They have very different feels and functions. Which one YOU prefer should be evident with just a bit of saddle time. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by chil2makefun
(Post 15692553)
i'm not asking people to say which of the 2 is best, i'm only looking for good and bad experiences people have had with both groupsets
Which do YOU like so far. |
So how does Force compare with Apex? I test rode some sram bikes, but they only had Apex. The bikes weren't set up very well, and the FD shifting sucked. It would only shift over with a light load. And takes a couple of tries when I'm actually pedaling. The hoods felt a little weird, and I think I prefer shimano shifting. But if a sram force carbon bike comes at a reasonable price over ultegra, I'd buy it, provided it's a lot better than apex. I also prefer shimano's quiet shifting.
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I have 9 bikes, 4 racing type road bikes, with 3 of them full SRAM Force....love it, very mechanical with a ka-clang shifting. The looks are great and the quality is fabulous, very high end materials where shimano is somewhat plasticky (not inferior).
My Shimano Dura-Ace/Ultegra rig is dependable and smooth, sram force is reliable and lets you know what your doing. Good Luck to You. |
Originally Posted by DinoShepherd
(Post 15694341)
Fair enough. I hope my experience was helpful to your choice.
Which do YOU like so far. |
Originally Posted by grolby
(Post 15689608)
I think the next generation of Ultegra will probably be clearly superior, but you'll have to wait on that one.
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Originally Posted by chil2makefun
(Post 15694567)
i haven't used sram so far, shimano was pleasing but it think the ergonomics aren't really what i'm looking for. On my mtb i have shimano and there i really get feedback when i shift which i like. so i think sram might just be the way to go.
You will know when you ride. The components have very different "personalities". One ride should tell you. |
Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 15694621)
Clairvoyant, huh?
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I have small hands and I prefer the SRAM hoods. I rode Shimano before as well. I have yet to ride Campy.
I will be riding Di2 soon and I do like the hoods. That's the first thing I checked out when I got my gruppo. The bikes weren't set up very well, and the FD shifting sucked. If OPs going with the older Force ask the LBS for the new YAW FD. I believe SRAM22 Force has it. I'd wait for that as they overhauled its aesthetics http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...2-groupset.jpg ...although you may need some new wheels too ;) |
correct if I'm wrong, isn't FD shifting entirely dependent on the chainrings? I mean all the deraulleurs do is move into position. It's the chainrings teeth orientations that allows the shifting to happen more smoothly.
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