I have it on my #2 bike. The only draw back is the extra trim position that is no longer needed with the Yaw derailleur. If you can call that a draw back. It is a bit more fussy to set up but just read the instructions that come with the derailleur. Cable tension is the hardest part to get correct and that isnt that bad. With the older force shifter the lever throw is a bit longer and a bit more force is needed to make the shift but not an unreasonable amount. I can tell a difference between it and my full '13 Red equipt bike, but just for the first couple of shifts.

justifying is the easy part :D finding the funds to do so as a student is a lot harder lol

Ultegra 6700 rocks.

Force blows.

That is all.

that's your view on it, which i'm not really looking for, i'm looking for pros and cons of the two

you're not the only one, I suffer from this affliction as well and it would be difficult to go mixed. probably just buy a used force RD instead of a new rival (same money and they'd match) :P

There was a whole thread about 11 speed ultegra where everybody said 6700 totally sucked. Who to believe?

On a colored scale where lavender is excellent, and magenta is extremely poor, I give ultegra 6700 a navy blue, while force deserves dark tan.

that explains it all :D

To the OP, I have Record 11s in the C59 and in the Infinito. I have Athena 11s on the Bottecchia. Never had a problem using the "button" lever to shift gears. Maybe yours was no properly adjusted.

FWIW I had Shimano Ultegra in the Infinito and got rid of it because I never liked the way it worked and I did not like the way it looked. My friend had SRAM in his Pinarello FP Quattro and was never happy with its performance. He finally replaced it with Chorus 11s--he is happy now.

YMMV...good luck.

it is adjusted correctly, but o don't really like the mechanism. plus i find the lever a bit flimsy

You can believe all you want, it is a fact that the Ultegra crank is stiffer, certainly the crank and chainring combo are stiffer. Force is lighter, yes. I have not used the new Yaw FD, so I can't really comment on front shifting, compared to the previous (pre-Yaw) generation, Ultegra was definitely better. The rest is subjective. I like the looks of the Ultegra crank better, more importantly, I think it is a better-made part. But it's just one part out of many that make up the group.

Those of us criticizing 6700 were saying that it was not nearly as good as it should have been, and that it has some notable flaws. That got read by some as "it totally sucks," but I'm not really sure why.

Incidentally, I don't think Force sucks, either. Between Ultegra 6700 and Force, it's a tough call, thanks mostly to those flaws. I think 6800 vs. Force will be an easier decision.

but ultegra 6800 vs force 22 will be a harder choice i guess

for the ones who might be interested, i went with sram red instead of force :D

I've had Shimano on several bikes and really like it.
I've only test-ridden bikes with SRAM, and I didn't care for it.
Might have been able to get used to SRAM, but don't see the
point, when Shimano works well for me. I love the smooth shifting
and the hoods are a good size for holding while standing.
Have never tried Campy, but would like to. I think it's the sexiest
of the bunch, if that counts for anything.

S

My Ultegra 6800 front shifting is a dream. It's like a little crankset gnome gently switches chainrings for me with a smile.

FWIW, I wrench at a LBS that carries Cervelo, Focus, and Felt, and I see plenty of SRAM, Shimano, and Campy bikes (we sell and service all three). While it is not impossible to set up well, SRAM front derailleurs are far more difficult to tune than Shimano and Campy. I do not have trouble with every SRAM FD, but almost every bike that I have struggled to get the FD shifting well, it has been SRAM.

That said, I would be happy to ride Ultegra or Force or Red - they are all good groups. But I do think the FD is the weak spot of the SRAM groups - I have also had trouble with Yaw FDs.

I had problems with the first generation Red FD, but shifting was spot on once I switched to a Force FD.

SRAM is quick to warranty replace broken components, but they also fail far more often than Campagnolo and Shimano combined.

:roflmao2:

pcad is very wise, SRAM fanboys are not

Didn't sift through all the post to see what you may have picked but my only suggestion is try both and decide which you like best. I have always had Shimano but my new bike is in and it is SRAM equipped. So I will be making the change over and it will be new to me as well.

You have some real statistics to prove this or are you just blowing BS as a hater?