Stem broke in half while riding
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All galvanic corrosion needs to occur is electrical contact between dissimilar metals. Meaning they have to touch. I've had aluminum that touched a carbon frame corrode to powder. Doesn't need to be sweat. Just damp sea air can do it.
I've had a welded quill stem break in half at the weld. I happened to be crossing a bad RR track just after an all-out descent down a windy road, doing 40 or so. The stem hung together by a tiny bit of weld, so I didn't go down and even managed to finish the ride. I sent to the stem back to the manufacturer. They offered to replace it. Uh, no.
I've had a welded quill stem break in half at the weld. I happened to be crossing a bad RR track just after an all-out descent down a windy road, doing 40 or so. The stem hung together by a tiny bit of weld, so I didn't go down and even managed to finish the ride. I sent to the stem back to the manufacturer. They offered to replace it. Uh, no.
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Galvanic corrosion between alloy and carbon is a common problem for seatposts.It's one of the reasons carbon assembly paste exists. It also happens on bars (as shown above) and I've seen it on stems, too.
OP, what is the stack limit on that fork. You have a lot. Regardless of whether this contributed to the issue, I would strongly suggest going with the higher rise stem and fewer spacers also as shown above.
The stem failed along where I would expect to see a riser from welding on the tabs. Without the stem in my hands I would guess that it it fatigue from over torquing the stem bolts plus the added stresses of supporting more of the rider's weight due to the use of arrow bars with the large number of spacers being a slight but additional factor.
Since you need to replace the stem regardless, it would be prudent to discuss addressing this with your mechanic.
OP, what is the stack limit on that fork. You have a lot. Regardless of whether this contributed to the issue, I would strongly suggest going with the higher rise stem and fewer spacers also as shown above.
The stem failed along where I would expect to see a riser from welding on the tabs. Without the stem in my hands I would guess that it it fatigue from over torquing the stem bolts plus the added stresses of supporting more of the rider's weight due to the use of arrow bars with the large number of spacers being a slight but additional factor.
Since you need to replace the stem regardless, it would be prudent to discuss addressing this with your mechanic.
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There does look like corrosion as well. There could be more than one factor involved in the failure.
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It can if it was only cracked at the top and the final part failed with a downward force (rider). The hard anno on the surface of the stem can make the last section peel like that.
There does look like corrosion as well. There could be more than one factor involved in the failure.
There does look like corrosion as well. There could be more than one factor involved in the failure.
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So what you're saying is...the carbon asploded, like carbon is wont to do, and took the aluminum out with it? 
I'm with Bob Dopolina- bottom line, more than one substantial factor leading to the failure. While sweat/sea air/etc make sense chemically and on paper, looking at what's going on inside the stem in the second photo makes me wonder exactly how much of either would need to find its way into the stem to cause such a problem. I'd also be curious to hear what Profile has to say about the failure, because if anyone knows about failure models for the stem...it's them.

I'm with Bob Dopolina- bottom line, more than one substantial factor leading to the failure. While sweat/sea air/etc make sense chemically and on paper, looking at what's going on inside the stem in the second photo makes me wonder exactly how much of either would need to find its way into the stem to cause such a problem. I'd also be curious to hear what Profile has to say about the failure, because if anyone knows about failure models for the stem...it's them.
#33
Simple question for the corrosion support, has it been documented what life to expect before said corrosion? Be it in the saltiest, most humid seaside climates with the rider who rides/trains hard as often as possible? Is two years realistic expectancy?
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I can't see that in the photos.
That would explain the peeling then. It is a piece where the bond failed before the carbon and it tore away from the stem.
That would explain the peeling then. It is a piece where the bond failed before the carbon and it tore away from the stem.
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Don't forget this is a tri setup. The force from rider weight is different than with road bars. Combine that with the large number of spacers and high setup and that might be all to cause it to snap.
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Thanks all for your replies. I did wrote to Profile Design to hear their thoughts, but haven't received an answer yet.
The sweat issue was brought because we did saw some corrosion on the stem, as you can seen on the pictures below, and the paint did peel off very easily. I do sweat a lot and I do use the trainer once every two weeks, for a 2 hour session, so it is exposed to a lot of sweat. However, I'm sure this should not have happened, the stem should handle sweat without issues, that's why this is so puzzling to me and think that maybe the stem was defective.
Regarding weight, yes, I am a bit heavy, as "therhodeo" pointed out (tri guy lol), I weight 185 pounds. The amount of stacks is because that's how the bike was setup during the bike fitting.
I guess as some of you say, this could have been the result of various factors, but just the thought of this happening downhill scares the #$&% out of me. Don't know if the mix of the stem being AL with a Carbon wrap caused this, so I guess I'll stay with an AL only stem.
I got a new Bontrager AL stem, and I guess from now on I will check the stem more regularly and change it once every year, since I wouldn't want this to happen again.
Here are the additional photos:

The sweat issue was brought because we did saw some corrosion on the stem, as you can seen on the pictures below, and the paint did peel off very easily. I do sweat a lot and I do use the trainer once every two weeks, for a 2 hour session, so it is exposed to a lot of sweat. However, I'm sure this should not have happened, the stem should handle sweat without issues, that's why this is so puzzling to me and think that maybe the stem was defective.
Regarding weight, yes, I am a bit heavy, as "therhodeo" pointed out (tri guy lol), I weight 185 pounds. The amount of stacks is because that's how the bike was setup during the bike fitting.
I guess as some of you say, this could have been the result of various factors, but just the thought of this happening downhill scares the #$&% out of me. Don't know if the mix of the stem being AL with a Carbon wrap caused this, so I guess I'll stay with an AL only stem.
I got a new Bontrager AL stem, and I guess from now on I will check the stem more regularly and change it once every year, since I wouldn't want this to happen again.
Here are the additional photos:
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Thanks all for your replies. I did wrote to Profile Design to hear their thoughts, but haven't received an answer yet.
The sweat issue was brought because we did saw some corrosion on the stem, as you can seen on the pictures below, and the paint did peel off very easily. I do sweat a lot and I do use the trainer once every two weeks, for a 2 hour session, so it is exposed to a lot of sweat. However, I'm sure this should not have happened, the stem should handle sweat without issues, that's why this is so puzzling to me and think that maybe the stem was defective.
Regarding weight, yes, I am a bit heavy, as "therhodeo" pointed out (tri guy lol), I weight 185 pounds. The amount of stacks is because that's how the bike was setup during the bike fitting.
I guess as some of you say, this could have been the result of various factors, but just the thought of this happening downhill scares the #$&% out of me. Don't know if the mix of the stem being AL with a Carbon wrap caused this, so I guess I'll stay with an AL only stem.
I got a new Bontrager AL stem, and I guess from now on I will check the stem more regularly and change it once every year, since I wouldn't want this to happen again.
Here are the additional photos:


The sweat issue was brought because we did saw some corrosion on the stem, as you can seen on the pictures below, and the paint did peel off very easily. I do sweat a lot and I do use the trainer once every two weeks, for a 2 hour session, so it is exposed to a lot of sweat. However, I'm sure this should not have happened, the stem should handle sweat without issues, that's why this is so puzzling to me and think that maybe the stem was defective.
Regarding weight, yes, I am a bit heavy, as "therhodeo" pointed out (tri guy lol), I weight 185 pounds. The amount of stacks is because that's how the bike was setup during the bike fitting.
I guess as some of you say, this could have been the result of various factors, but just the thought of this happening downhill scares the #$&% out of me. Don't know if the mix of the stem being AL with a Carbon wrap caused this, so I guess I'll stay with an AL only stem.
I got a new Bontrager AL stem, and I guess from now on I will check the stem more regularly and change it once every year, since I wouldn't want this to happen again.
Here are the additional photos:
Second...that indeed does look like serious corrosion and to counter what you said...massive amounts of sweat will corrode aluminum.
Is this the stem here?:
https://www.amazon.com/Profile-Design.../dp/B005FEP11Y
If so the "carbon wrapped aluminum" things seems gimmicky to me...I wouldn't run one. Second...the stem looks like it corroded from the inside out...sweat got between the stem and fork and literally ate it form the inside out.
Like the others said...you're luck you're not seriously injured and I'm glad to hear you're ok. I'd thank my lucky stars, get a new stem and periodically check it for corrosion if you sweat a ton like that.
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I am 5'9 
And yes, the link that you posted was the stem that I was using.
As you said, I am really thankful that this happened at a very low speed, just testing the bike before the triathlon. So yes, I will test more often the stem, just to be sure that no signs of corrosion arise. TY !

And yes, the link that you posted was the stem that I was using.
As you said, I am really thankful that this happened at a very low speed, just testing the bike before the triathlon. So yes, I will test more often the stem, just to be sure that no signs of corrosion arise. TY !
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Do you (anyone) really think that carbon-wrapped aluminum stems are dangerous, or just speculating? I've had this one JRFOTO Carbon Fiber Stem Carbon Fiber Handle Bar Stem (a cheaper variety) for 8-9 months and now you're making me nervous.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.
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Do you (anyone) really think that carbon-wrapped aluminum stems are dangerous, or just speculating? I've had this one JRFOTO Carbon Fiber Stem Carbon Fiber Handle Bar Stem (a cheaper variety) for 8-9 months and now you're making me nervous.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.

In all seriousness, the pictures look like a pot metal stem covered with poorly adhered simulated carbon. I personally wouldn't trust it.
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Do you (anyone) really think that carbon-wrapped aluminum stems are dangerous, or just speculating? I've had this one JRFOTO Carbon Fiber Stem Carbon Fiber Handle Bar Stem (a cheaper variety) for 8-9 months and now you're making me nervous.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.

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I agree 100%...the thing just seems like a poor design. Again, I'm glad all this cost you was a stem.
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I can believe the sweat theory. I have had Trek aluminum frame replaced due to sweat damage, and that was without any carbon contact. If sweat got between the stem and carbon steerer tube, I have no doubt it could result in a failure.
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Do you (anyone) really think that carbon-wrapped aluminum stems are dangerous, or just speculating? I've had this one JRFOTO Carbon Fiber Stem Carbon Fiber Handle Bar Stem (a cheaper variety) for 8-9 months and now you're making me nervous.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.
ps, re: the advantage, it looks sharp! Same as carbon anything, more or less.

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Yes, that's totally galvanic corrosion. Looks exactly like the brake stops on my carbon frame before replacement. And thinking about it, I think the welded AL stem that failed me was also Profile Design. Forged AL for me. I got rid of the quill stem on that bike with an adapter.
Another thing to keep in mind is the rider's preride test. If I'm running aerobars, I sit on the top tube and reef on those suckers. I've popped stem bolts doing that. You can lock the front brake and work the drops, too.
Another thing to keep in mind is the rider's preride test. If I'm running aerobars, I sit on the top tube and reef on those suckers. I've popped stem bolts doing that. You can lock the front brake and work the drops, too.




