Why is road cycling so political and middle class?
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To expand your premise a bit, the phenomenon you describe isn't really specific to cycling. As a general rule, people lampoon, criticize, or express snobbery at things they don't really understand or perhaps can't see themselves ever doing.
What makes cycling seem more open for attack to us, I believe, lies in large part because we practice our hobby out in the open, sharing the same roads as the general public -- the vast majority of whom probably haven't biked since they were kids. If golfers wore their attire in front of the general public, many of them would probably draw chuckles too.
What makes cycling seem more open for attack to us, I believe, lies in large part because we practice our hobby out in the open, sharing the same roads as the general public -- the vast majority of whom probably haven't biked since they were kids. If golfers wore their attire in front of the general public, many of them would probably draw chuckles too.
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You got me. Clearly, my every waking moment is meant to impress you. Why won't you just love me?
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I have been riding a "cheap" bikesdirect road bike for the past year. Cheap being relative and maybe a better description is no name with no street cred. Either way it doesn't stop me from passing entire groups of middle age guys riding their Trek, Cannondale, Felt, BMC, Cervelo etc bikes that they paid 3-10x as much for as my bike. Sometimes I do it with my cheap Chinese bib shorts and jersey that cost $40 for the whole kit and sometimes I do it in my cheap gym shorts from Target. Anyway, I just like riding and usually ride by myself. I like bikes but don't really care for people so I could care less if anyone acknowledges me or waves.
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It might only be rare for recreational cyclists to go without expensive gear, if your definition of a recreational cyclist is somebody who has all the gear and looks the part. I'm confident that there are many recreational cyclists who use basic bicycles in regular clothing. While it might be true that the bulk of people who ride regularly have a fair amount of specialized gear, I think saying it's rare to find people otherwise might be a little bit of stretch. There are many examples of the rare people in the Commuter and C&V forums.
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It's a geeky sport. The clothing, by any rational measure, is about the geekiEST that there is! Truly goofy looking ensembles we go out in, peeps, and that's just the truth.
Partly because of that I think people buy into the tribal aspects of being so "branded" as goofy-looking by, well, everyone else and get militant about it. "By God, if I'm gonna wear spandex and a diaper in public, I'll be a PROUD member of the diaper-wearing geeks who walk into the cafe on their heels!"
Beyond that, it's the sport where skinny little smart people can actually kick sand in the face of the big lunk football-player types that tormented them in high school.
Partly because of that I think people buy into the tribal aspects of being so "branded" as goofy-looking by, well, everyone else and get militant about it. "By God, if I'm gonna wear spandex and a diaper in public, I'll be a PROUD member of the diaper-wearing geeks who walk into the cafe on their heels!"
Beyond that, it's the sport where skinny little smart people can actually kick sand in the face of the big lunk football-player types that tormented them in high school.
Most of the roadies I know are a bit nerdy...I know I am. The science and precision of it appeals to me. Then there's the physical element added to it. Cycling has always been a passion of mine, I just forgot how much I loved it there for a while.
I embrace my kit...I know I look like a fool and I'm perfectly ok with that. My wife is always snickering at me in my kit...not in a mean way though. She accepts my dorky-ness for what it is. My cycling is my largest passion...and it's healthy and positive, she's all for it.
To expand your premise a bit, the phenomenon you describe isn't really specific to cycling. As a general rule, people lampoon, criticize, or express snobbery at things they don't really understand or perhaps can't see themselves ever doing.
What makes cycling seem more open for attack to us, I believe, lies in large part because we practice our hobby out in the open, sharing the same roads as the general public -- the vast majority of whom probably haven't biked since they were kids. If golfers wore their attire in front of the general public, many of them would probably draw chuckles too.
What makes cycling seem more open for attack to us, I believe, lies in large part because we practice our hobby out in the open, sharing the same roads as the general public -- the vast majority of whom probably haven't biked since they were kids. If golfers wore their attire in front of the general public, many of them would probably draw chuckles too.
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I'm merely just one of the multitude of people you'd like to impress. You'd like to not only impress me, but the rest of the world, as well.
There is nothing more that you'd wish, but to have the entire world jump for joy, as we all, celebrate your existence, acknowledge your superior speed, and the awesome bike with which you attained it!
And yes! I so do love you! We all do!
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Why is road cycling so political and middle class?
I can't figure out the alien bug look that seems to be what "serious" cyclists wear. I have burst out laughing on several occasions seeing these creatures approaching. The other good look is the guys wearing the American flag all over their body. True 'mericans. Cycling is a totally geeked out activity, except the way I do it.
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I'm merely just one of the multitude of people you'd like to impress. You'd like to not only impress me, but the rest of the world, as well.
There is nothing more that you'd wish, but to have the entire world jump for joy, as we all, celebrate your existence, acknowledge your superior speed, and the awesome bike with which you attained it!
And yes! I so do love you! We all do!
There is nothing more that you'd wish, but to have the entire world jump for joy, as we all, celebrate your existence, acknowledge your superior speed, and the awesome bike with which you attained it!
And yes! I so do love you! We all do!
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What makes cycling seem more open for attack to us, I believe, lies in large part because we practice our hobby out in the open, sharing the same roads as the general public -- the vast majority of whom probably haven't biked since they were kids. If golfers wore their attire in front of the general public, many of them would probably draw chuckles too.
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Ya know how people on motorcycles wave at others on motorcycles, or guys driving jeeps wave at other jeep drivers but not any random dude in a car?
Same thing. A roadie or racer sees someone in full kit and notices someone participating in/training for the same sport. He sees someone that looks like they are out for a casual weekly ride and notices someone just out enjoying a ride, but not necessarily participating in the same sport. It's an automatic "oh hey, that guy has similar interests! I think I'll wave or nod."
There are too many cyclists here to wave, but if I did wave I would probably avoid waving at the casual clothes cyclists only because they might find it very strange that some random person is waving. If they are in their kit I would assume they know why I'm waving. If that makes sense.
Anyway, I rode with cycling teams while wearing casual random clothes for a while. I'm sure they thought it was odd, but they weren't snobby about it.
Same thing. A roadie or racer sees someone in full kit and notices someone participating in/training for the same sport. He sees someone that looks like they are out for a casual weekly ride and notices someone just out enjoying a ride, but not necessarily participating in the same sport. It's an automatic "oh hey, that guy has similar interests! I think I'll wave or nod."
There are too many cyclists here to wave, but if I did wave I would probably avoid waving at the casual clothes cyclists only because they might find it very strange that some random person is waving. If they are in their kit I would assume they know why I'm waving. If that makes sense.
Anyway, I rode with cycling teams while wearing casual random clothes for a while. I'm sure they thought it was odd, but they weren't snobby about it.
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What's strange is the complaints are always "why do the kitted out roadies not acknowledge me?" Nobody ever complains that the Mexican guys who are using the MUP to get to work on their beaters don't wave and say hello (which in my area are at least as frequent as the roadies). Or the moms and dads riding in their costco jeans. "Roadies are such jerks! I want them to like me!"
If you're complaining about roadies snubbing you, you must crave their attention for some reason. That's the real problem, not whether or not roadies are jerks.
If you're complaining about roadies snubbing you, you must crave their attention for some reason. That's the real problem, not whether or not roadies are jerks.
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After 2 or 3 generations (my grandfather was born in San Luis Potosi), we turn into snobby roadie jerks too. It's the American Way.
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What's strange is the complaints are always "why do the kitted out roadies not acknowledge me?" Nobody ever complains that the Mexican guys who are using the MUP to get to work on their beaters don't wave and say hello (which in my area are at least as frequent as the roadies). Or the moms and dads riding in their costco jeans. "Roadies are such jerks! I want them to like me!"
If you're complaining about roadies snubbing you, you must crave their attention for some reason. That's the real problem, not whether or not roadies are jerks.
If you're complaining about roadies snubbing you, you must crave their attention for some reason. That's the real problem, not whether or not roadies are jerks.
Maybe they don't wave to me because I'm such a wuss. I hate myself.
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Once upon a time, I rode a cool fuschia bianchi, in a cool jersey and racing shorts, and nice shoes etc. Fully kitted. But I didn't start out that way, I worked my way up, and it was only after many miles that I decided to embrace the geeky looking gear. At that time, cycling gear was decidedly uncool.
Now, decades later, I find myself going cheaper. I paid less for my jersey, shorts liner and jacket than most people pay for shoes. I bought cheap shoes, but they are stff and they fit well.
I may treat myself to nice gear, but not until I need it or have enough miles in to earn it.
I do get waves from all kinds of cyclists. Even in my modest clothes, riding my beat up bike.
The only almost snobbery I've encountered was a guy visiting from California. He was aghast that I was not wearing long pants when we were riding in 12 degrees C weather(mid to upper 50s F). Honestly, my legs were fine. He was feeling it even in his wool jersey.
Now, decades later, I find myself going cheaper. I paid less for my jersey, shorts liner and jacket than most people pay for shoes. I bought cheap shoes, but they are stff and they fit well.
I may treat myself to nice gear, but not until I need it or have enough miles in to earn it.
I do get waves from all kinds of cyclists. Even in my modest clothes, riding my beat up bike.
The only almost snobbery I've encountered was a guy visiting from California. He was aghast that I was not wearing long pants when we were riding in 12 degrees C weather(mid to upper 50s F). Honestly, my legs were fine. He was feeling it even in his wool jersey.
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I am probably one of the silliest bike riders out there. I wear full kit 100% of the time. I sport a KOM polkadot helmet, usually hang around with a yellow jersey, a TDF replica bike, 2 power meters. I wave to absolutely everybody, runners, cyclist of every kind and sometimes just approach them and talk randomly. This probably makes me a full on ****** but I am secure and proven to smoke 98% of the people within a 10 mile radius from my home. I ENJOY the sport . If they don't wave back or look at you with gay face, smoke 'em!
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Machka nailed it here. When you can truly not give one half of one rats behind what anyone else thinks of you, or your bike, or your outfit, or heaven forbid your pedals, you can just ride. By all means train, or do your hill repeats, or intervals, or just sit up straight and wave at all the folks on lawnmowers..it doesn't matter!
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If you are at the gym, do you wave at the other people on tread mills? Do you get upset if they don't wave back?
On a usual ride, I have no clue how many cyclists, cars, pedestrians, or squirrels I pass. If I notice someone, I acknowledge them, but more often than not, I don't even notice them.
As to clothes, do you wear your street clothes in the swimming pool, or do you put on something that may be revealing but is designed for the task? Cycling clothes are performance clothing for a performance sport, no different than a baseball uniform (those are Capri's, you know) or yoga pants (when actually doing yoga). Sure, you can ride 150 miles bareback in cut off Levi's. You are much cooler that way, with a hole wore through your scrotum, than wearing something specific to the activity.
On a usual ride, I have no clue how many cyclists, cars, pedestrians, or squirrels I pass. If I notice someone, I acknowledge them, but more often than not, I don't even notice them.
As to clothes, do you wear your street clothes in the swimming pool, or do you put on something that may be revealing but is designed for the task? Cycling clothes are performance clothing for a performance sport, no different than a baseball uniform (those are Capri's, you know) or yoga pants (when actually doing yoga). Sure, you can ride 150 miles bareback in cut off Levi's. You are much cooler that way, with a hole wore through your scrotum, than wearing something specific to the activity.
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