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Old 05-13-14, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Slackerprince
Production value on NBC Sports of stage one was HORRIBLE. Low rumbling (wind) in the background of commentary, everyone sounds like they are in a different studio. Lots of dead air. Christian Vande Velde has a solid cycling background, and is a nice enough guy, but he is not the most engaging commentary host. Bad motorcycle camera work, and on and on.
I hope they get it together.
I'm loving a good and important race on American soil, but the TV coverage stinks.

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I was attending stage 1 and stage 2 and I concur with you about the motorcycle cams are essentially useless. There was a troup of them an they just don't work. It's like watching a slide show a poor slide show. Stage 1 nothing of the climbs of Indian Hill or the climb out of the American River Canyon they showed the last bit of nasty flat roads with a 20+ mph off the right shoulder wind. The circuit downtown relied on the motorcycles and a helicopter which couldn't penetrate the trees which is like a virtual canopy on the circuit. Stage 2 had about 1000 feet of climbing in a 12.5 mile and the preview show told how it was relatively flat. Talked to Fredrika N after her finish and I asked how she liked that flat TT and her response was sheeesh. Nothing of the womens circuit race after the start of S1 and nothing of the womens TT. NBC sports sucks!
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When you see the S1 sprint finish from above you see Cavendish lean and drive the German to the left slightly taking the edge, hmmm
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Originally Posted by LtDan
When you see the S1 sprint finish from above you see Cavendish lean and drive the German to the left slightly taking the edge, hmmm
That's not illegal. There are plenty of elbow, shoulder pushing in the sprints, even headbutting. Though truly violent intentional headbutting can get you in trouble, like when Cavendish's teammate did it few years ago, he was DQ'd from the TdF. Also Cavendish is known for riding dangerously, he's caused a few big crashes because of his reckless riding.

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The quality of the camera is horrible.
It was the trees causing interruption in the signal to the relay plane/chopper whatever. happens in tight city riding like it Giro today too. it happens.
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Originally Posted by Jakedatc
It was the trees causing interruption in the signal to the relay plane/chopper whatever. happens in tight city riding like it Giro today too. it happens.

Yea, todays race was fine. It was hot as hell out here though. I can't even imagine how those guys felt. I went for a 1000ft climb yesterday at around 5:30 after it cooled down and I was still dying.
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Originally Posted by Jakedatc
It was the trees causing interruption in the signal to the relay plane/chopper whatever. happens in tight city riding like it Giro today too. it happens.
Is that the only reason, though? I sometimes watch rallies on TV. They drive on roads hidden with trees and such, but I rarely see choppy images sent from the onboard cameras.
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Originally Posted by daihard
Is that the only reason, though? I sometimes watch rallies on TV. They drive on roads hidden with trees and such, but I rarely see choppy images sent from the onboard cameras.
if live broadcasts, you have a point.
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Can someone tell me how the F**K this domestique rider for sky can ride faster than me? I mean, I understand the whole power to weight ratio thing, but COME ON! Look at his legs! Sad.

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Can someone tell me how the F**K this domestique rider for sky can ride faster than me? I mean, I understand the whole power to weight ratio thing, but COME ON! Look at his legs! Sad.
Have you not seen Wiggins? Or Froume? It's the Sky way. Lose insane weight, but still kill in endurance, sprint, TT and mountains. The best doping cycling has seen yet. Yeah I'm pulling the entire Peloton at over 450 watts on mountain in 90 degree weather after having destroyed the previous ToC winner and other favorites by 43 seconds in the TT and I'm not doping. OK Wiggins, I believe you, right... At least try to pretend you're not doping.
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Originally Posted by EnsitMike
Can someone tell me how the F**K this domestique rider for sky can ride faster than me? I mean, I understand the whole power to weight ratio thing, but COME ON! Look at his legs! Sad.

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they same way that a 300lb lineman can run the 40 faster than I can... they are the best of the best in the world for a reason.

Look at Niki Terpstra.. pretty strong TT... did 29avg for the 12mi TT.. 53rd place.
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Originally Posted by EnsitMike
Can someone tell me how the F**K this domestique rider for sky can ride faster than me? I mean, I understand the whole power to weight ratio thing, but COME ON! Look at his legs! Sad.

One of the early lessons in racing years ago. Never underestimate someone by the look of their legs.
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Originally Posted by zymphad
Have you not seen Wiggins? Or Froume? It's the Sky way. Lose insane weight, but still kill in endurance, sprint, TT and mountains. The best doping cycling has seen yet. Yeah I'm pulling the entire Peloton at over 450 watts on mountain in 90 degree weather after having destroyed the previous ToC winner and other favorites by 43 seconds in the TT and I'm not doping. OK Wiggins, I believe you, right... At least try to pretend you're not doping.
We know by now you hate Sky, but really this is getting a little old.
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Personal opinion, I could be wrong, stage 3.

I don't think Wiggo rode the last 6km very smart, by going to the front and doing all the work, with his biggest competitor riding wheels almost all the way.
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Originally Posted by caloso
At first, I didn't like the idea of installing cameras on riders. It sounds gimmicky. Watching this video the other day has made me re-think that, at least to some extent. I don't think these videos will be useful 85% of the time, but the sprint/sprint lead out is a good use of them.
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Originally Posted by ColnagoC40
Personal opinion, I could be wrong, stage 3.

I don't think Wiggo rode the last 6km very smart, by going to the front and doing all the work, with his biggest competitor riding wheels almost all the way.
He didn't have much choice. Either ride the front at a high pace or let guys attack at will. Much more efficient for him than try to chase attacks down alone.
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Stage 8 goes through my backyard...well not literally through it.

I will be there.
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He didn't have much choice. Either ride the front at a high pace or let guys attack at will. Much more efficient for him than try to chase attacks down alone.
In the last 6km, based on overall time, only three riders he had to keep an eye on for attacks, Dennis Rohan which is a threat, Machado Tiago not really a threat and Craddock Lawson, also not really a threat.
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Originally Posted by ColnagoC40
We know by now you hate Sky, but really this is getting a little old.
Careful... zymphad is really sensitive about being trolled on the forums.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia
Stage 8 goes through my backyard...well not literally through it.

I will be there.
I'm just a 15 minute bike ride from my door to Rock Store. Planning on heading up early and picking out a good spot. The early start will probably limit the crowd much more than in 2010.
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Originally Posted by nesdog
I'm just a 15 minute bike ride from my door to Rock Store. Planning on heading up early and picking out a good spot. The early start will probably limit the crowd much more than in 2010.

Nes, maybe we can get together a few local BFers and go and see the last stage.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia
Nes, maybe we can get together a few local BFers and go and see the last stage.
Who's around? Not sure if CVC is going to bag the Sunday ride and meet up on the hills.
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Originally Posted by zymphad
Have you not seen Wiggins? Or Froume? It's the Sky way. Lose insane weight, but still kill in endurance, sprint, TT and mountains. The best doping cycling has seen yet. Yeah I'm pulling the entire Peloton at over 450 watts on mountain in 90 degree weather after having destroyed the previous ToC winner and other favorites by 43 seconds in the TT and I'm not doping. OK Wiggins, I believe you, right... At least try to pretend you're not doping.
Bold statement, considering you have no PROOF.
While you're busy speculating, I'll remind you that Wiggo was dropped on Diablo.

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Originally Posted by nesdog
Who's around? Not sure if CVC is going to bag the Sunday ride and meet up on the hills.
I'm stuck in the Bay Area this weekend, but I wish I could join you! I used to race for CVC back in the 80s, and lived not far from the Rock Store climb. Lot of great memories riding in that area.
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Originally Posted by nesdog
Who's around? Not sure if CVC is going to bag the Sunday ride and meet up on the hills.
There are a couple of local riders here in BF. Not sure if CVC will do anything for this stage.

HunkerDown is in the area and rides with CVC and Serious Cycling.

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