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rpenmanparker 08-04-14 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by halfspeed (Post 17006322)
I don't think you're supposed to put it there.

Hey, you see my results right? And you still question my technique? I get no respect around here.

rpenmanparker 08-04-14 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 17006236)
One of each. Crank based, then a pt to swap around on the trainer or Sparrow/Magic Bike.

Sure the PT would be useful for the trainer bike, but why would the Sparrow or Magic Bike need a PT if they already had a crank-based power meter? Unless you think HP might want to test the power loss between the crank and the rear wheel due to frame flex.

3alarmer 08-04-14 06:38 PM

6 Attachment(s)
...I know this will seem like oneupmanship, but the tomato (a yellow Brandywine) was so pretty I got the camera out. :o

Ratatouille Nicoise (with photos)

One standard eggplant of a decent size

enough zucchini to make an amount similar to the eggplant
when cut into pieces (maybe 6-8 of the average small ones)

one hot pepper (more to taste) and two or three ripe sweet peppers

enough tomatoes to form a sauce for the stew, usually 3-6 of decent size

One onion of a respectable size, anywhere from 2-12 garlic cloves (again, to taste)

olive oil to about half a cup, salt about 1-2 tablespoons (taste), ground pepper. about 1/2 cup flour

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397379

...a tomato to make the angels sing

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397378

..most of the stuff except the onion and garlic

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397381

...the onion, garlic, olive oil, and hot pepper, with a sprinkling of salt

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397382http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397383

...the relative sizes of cut for the eggplant versus the zukes.

The zukes are roughly two or three times larger in order to allow
them to cook to finish with the same timing. You can also just
add the eggplant first, then add the zucchini ten minutes later
if they are sized more closely.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397380

...the sweet peppers (Bells in this case) and the tomatoes.

Toss the eggplant cubes and the zucchini pieces with the flour and the rest of the salt
in a plastic bag of appropriate size.........let them sit for a while and saute the onion in the
oil with some salt sprinkled in the pot, as it starts to get soft, add the garlic.

Give it a minute or two to flavor the oil, then toss in the eggplant pieces, thoroughly
mixing them with what's in the pot to try to flavor the eggplant a little.

Reduce the heat, or use one of those burner tender thingies (better).

Toss in after a minute or two the zukes, peppers, tomatoes, and stir thoroughly again.
Until the liquid starts to cook out of the tomatoes, there is some risk of burning and sticking
on the pot bottom. Pay attention to this, and use more oil if you have to.

Cook on a very low heat, stirring occasionally, until the eggplant and peppers are just done.
Try not to overcook the zucchini. It should still maintain its shape, and be of a pleasing texture.

When done, finish the seasoning with whatever salt and pepper you need at the end.
Don't cook the black pepper, rather add it at the end, or at the table individually.


Serve with break, or over a bed of couscous if you cooked it listening to Toure Kunda this afternoon.


Hermes 08-04-14 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 17006216)
Ok, I read the first chapter of the Training with a Power Meter book suggested by @Hermes.

I am leaning towards just getting two Powertaps. My rationale is that I have very little free time during the week. I get up at 4am, am out the door by 4:30 to meet my friends to ride. In that 30 minutes, I already have a lot to do- get up, get dressed, brush my teeth, drink some coffee, set up the bike with Garmin/lights, check my tires, fret over whether to bring a jacket, get my bottles set up. I can't see adding another thing to the list- swap out cranks or pedals. I know it's no big deal but it's just another thing to do.

So for me, the least hassle option to start riding is going to be the best.

However, there are two drawbacks to the power taps:
1. As @Hermes pointed out, you're stuck with the wheels you have, each set of wheels requires its own power tap. Right now, not a deal breaker for me, I only have the two sets. So question one is: am I really going to want multiple sets of wheels some day? I mean I can see that for some people, but is this going to likely become an issue for me? I have no intention of racing, I'm not sure I will ever really need to swap wheels out all the time. But then again I never thought Id have two bikes, either.
2. I was going to use the Lexa as a trainer bike but I don't want to buy a power tap for it too. So which bike would I use on the trainer if I went back to that?

That's all I can think of right now.

@Heathpack

Racing... I here this all the time on BF....I will never blah blah blah race. Well, there are a lot of interesting long distance endurance events that are timed and many times there are local hill climb training events where riders show up and climb hills for time. That is racing. It certainly is not mass start USAC sanction but it is none the less a race against the clock. And you will wont to optimize your equipment to the event. So let's replace the word race with event and now one may visualize some day over the rainbow that you will want to optimize wheel sets for an event. Or you may just want to have two wheel sets with different cassettes and not want the hassle of changing cassettes. Or you may just want a special wheel set to ride on Tuesdays because you can.

This is going to sound like I am peeing on Saris (PowerTap). However, their CS is okay but not great. If you have a problem, you have to box up your wheel and send it to them. They perform the warranty work after they receive the wheel and then send it back. Quarq sent me a new crankset and power meter overnight mail upon receipt of a phone call from me and I had the new power meter the next day. I shipped them the broken one. Of course, I was on the hook to purchase a new PM if I failed to return the old one. However, I lost zero riding time.

Think about a crank based PM on your go to bike whichever that one is and a PT on the other one. You do not have to switch anything and your go to bike can accept any wheel set your want. I know that is more expensive.

Reading your posts, it is pretty clear that your time is very valuable and limited and you are not going to swap PMs around. The other option is go with the crank based system on one bike and the other bike does not have power. You live with it and it may be okay. If it is not, you get a PT for the second bike or say screw it and buy the crank based for the other bike as well.

For the trainer, I have a rear wheel that I put on the other bikes and ride whatever bike I want on the trainer or rollers and have power there as well.

However, the two power tap solution is not a bad choice but keep in mind that most can pop a wheel off in 10s of seconds so it is not a big deal. Notwithstanding that, if my wife were to swap rear wheels on her bikes, she would have to get a mani / pedi after she was finished. Since I do all that for her, it is not a problem. My job description, among other things, entails being her bike b!cth.

rpenmanparker 08-04-14 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 17006336)
I can't really swap a power tap between bikes right now. The Lexa is 8 speed, the Sparrow is 10 speed & the Magic Bike is 11 speed.

I could go with two Stages power meters, those are the cheapest crank-based PMs. Then I would not have to routinely swap anything out, but still could do so in a pinch for the trainer. Except the Lexa has 170mm cranks and the Sparrow & Magic bike has 165s.

Your likely starting to understand the desirability of having all bikes with compatible drivetrains. Of course that is easier said than done. Keep in mind that 8-speed and 10-speed cassettes both fit on the same model freehub. So you could use your 10-speed wheels on your 8-speed trainer bike with just a change of cassette, a 5 minute job. But think about it. When you are wanting a trainer available, it is likely we are talking about the Winter. At that season the trainer and just one outdoor bike should suffice for your needs. So using one of the pairs of wheels from your outdoor bikes on the trainer should be no inconvenience. Until you succumb to new wheelitis of course. Then this discussion will all be moot.

3alarmer 08-04-14 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Hermes (Post 17006372)

My job description, among other things, entails being her bike b!cth.

...duhhh ! If I couldn't fix stuff I'd be living under a bridge tomorrow.

3alarmer 08-04-14 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 17006382)
...duhhh ! If I couldn't fix stuff I'd be living under a bridge tomorrow.

...but at least my wife would call someone else to change the locks.

RUOkie 08-04-14 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 17006369)
...I know this will seem like oneupmanship, but the tomato (a yellow Brandywine) was so pretty I got the camera out. :o

Ratatouille Nicoise (with photos)

One standard eggplant of a decent size

enough zucchini to make an amount similar to the eggplant
when cut into pieces (maybe 6-8 of the average small ones)

one hot pepper (more to taste) and two or three ripe sweet peppers

enough tomatoes to form a sauce for the stew, usually 3-6 of decent size

One onion of a respectable size, anywhere from 2-12 garlic cloves (again, to taste)

olive oil to about half a cup, salt about 1-2 tablespoons (taste), ground pepper. about 1/2 cup flour

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397379

...a tomato to make the angels sing

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397378

..most of the stuff except the onion and garlic

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397381

...the onion, garlic, olive oil, and hot pepper, with a sprinkling of salt

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397382http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397383

...the relative sizes of cut for the eggplant versus the zukes.

The zukes are roughly two or three times larger in order to allow
them to cook to finish with the same timing. You can also just
add the eggplant first, then add the zucchini ten minutes later
if they are sized more closely.


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=397380

...the sweet peppers (Bells in this case) and the tomatoes.

Toss the eggplant cubes and the zucchini pieces with the flour and the rest of the salt
in a plastic bag of appropriate size.........let them sit for a while and saute the onion in the
oil with some salt sprinkled in the pot, as it starts to get soft, add the garlic.

Give it a minute or two to flavor the oil, then toss in the eggplant pieces, thoroughly
mixing them with what's in the pot to try to flavor the eggplant a little.

Reduce the heat, or use one of those burner tender thingies (better).

Toss in after a minute or two the zukes, peppers, tomatoes, and stir thoroughly again.
Until the liquid starts to cook out of the tomatoes, there is some risk of burning and sticking
on the pot bottom. Pay attention to this, and use more oil if you have to.

Cook on a very low heat, stirring occasionally, until the eggplant and peppers are just done.
Try not to overcook the zucchini. It should still maintain its shape, and be of a pleasing texture.

When done, finish the seasoning with whatever salt and pepper you need at the end.
Don't cook the black pepper, rather add it at the end, or at the table individually.

:thumb:

Makel 08-04-14 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by PhotoJoe (Post 17005902)
Amazingly no.


Originally Posted by RUOkie (Post 17005960)
not so long as I take my Lipitor


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 17005978)
Mine was too low.


Originally Posted by halfspeed (Post 17006045)
Not any more.


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 17006095)
Why do you ask?


apparently mine is

I'm kind of surprised about it.

Heathpack 08-04-14 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Hermes (Post 17006372)
@Heathpack

Racing... I here this all the time on BF....I will never blah blah blah race. Well, there are a lot of interesting long distance endurance events that are timed and many times there are local hill climb training events where riders show up and climb hills for time. That is racing. It certainly is not mass start USAC sanction but it is none the less a race against the clock. And you will wont to optimize your equipment to the event. So let's replace the word race with event and now one may visualize some day over the rainbow that you will want to optimize wheel sets for an event. Or you may just want to have two wheel sets with different cassettes and not want the hassle of changing cassettes. Or you may just want a special wheel set to ride on Tuesdays because you can.

This is going to sound like I am peeing on Saris (PowerTap). However, their CS is okay but not great. If you have a problem, you have to box up your wheel and send it to them. They perform the warranty work after they receive the wheel and then send it back. Quarq sent me a new crankset and power meter overnight mail upon receipt of a phone call from me and I had the new power meter the next day. I shipped them the broken one. Of course, I was on the hook to purchase a new PM if I failed to return the old one. However, I lost zero riding time.

Think about a crank based PM on your go to bike whichever that one is and a PT on the other one. You do not have to switch anything and your go to bike can accept any wheel set your want. I know that is more expensive.

Reading your posts, it is pretty clear that your time is very valuable and limited and you are not going to swap PMs around. The other option is go with the crank based system on one bike and the other bike does not have power. You live with it and it may be okay. If it is not, you get a PT for the second bike or say screw it and buy the crank based for the other bike as well.

For the trainer, I have a rear wheel that I put on the other bikes and ride whatever bike I want on the trainer or rollers and have power there as well.

However, the two power tap solution is not a bad choice but keep in mind that most can pop a wheel off in 10s of seconds so it is not a big deal. Notwithstanding that, if my wife were to swap rear wheels on her bikes, she would have to get a mani / pedi after she was finished. Since I do all that for her, it is not a problem. My job description, among other things, entails being her bike b!cth.

I can't really see riding with power sometimes & other times not. I think all the bikes will need to be geared up with power meters. The quark will be too expensive to have on multiple bikes so that would put me back to switching out cranks. (I use "me" figuratively here because it most certainly would not be me). I honestly can't see all this switching out making sense for me, regardless.

Ok on the wheel thing, maybe I'll wind up going down the multiple wheel set path. So maybe I'll have to look at the Stages. Same price as the Powertap. I could have multiples.

Makel 08-04-14 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 17006216)
Ok, I read the first chapter of the Training with a Power Meter book suggested by @Hermes.

I am leaning towards just getting two Powertaps. My rationale is that I have very little free time during the week. I get up at 4am, am out the door by 4:30 to meet my friends to ride. In that 30 minutes, I already have a lot to do- get up, get dressed, brush my teeth, drink some coffee, set up the bike with Garmin/lights, check my tires, fret over whether to bring a jacket, get my bottles set up. I can't see adding another thing to the list- swap out cranks or pedals. I know it's no big deal but it's just another thing to do.

So for me, the least hassle option to start riding is going to be the best.

However, there are two drawbacks to the power taps:
1. As @Hermes pointed out, you're stuck with the wheels you have, each set of wheels requires its own power tap. Right now, not a deal breaker for me, I only have the two sets. So question one is: am I really going to want multiple sets of wheels some day? I mean I can see that for some people, but is this going to likely become an issue for me? I have no intention of racing, I'm not sure I will ever really need to swap wheels out all the time. But then again I never thought Id have two bikes, either.
2. I was going to use the Lexa as a trainer bike but I don't want to buy a power tap for it too. So which bike would I use on the trainer if I went back to that?

That's all I can think of right now.

You going to start racing?

halfspeed 08-04-14 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Hermes (Post 17006372)
This is going to sound like I am peeing on Saris (PowerTap). However, their CS is okay but not great. If you have a problem, you have to box up your wheel and send it to them. They perform the warranty work after they receive the wheel and then send it back.

With the G3, you don't have to send the wheel back, just the electronics pod. You can still ride without it. And, of course, if you have two wheels you can just move the electronics over.

Makel 08-04-14 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17006221)
Yes to high cholesterol but crazy well controlled with 40 mg Lipitor, 10 mg Zetia and a buttload of phytosterol dietary supplement by capsule every day. 15 year ago before my coronary, the last time I was unmedicated, the total was 240. Now it is 120 with HDL of 54 and LDL of 56. The Lipitor/Zetia combo really works number wise despite negative press about its a ability to reduce frequency of coronary episodes.

Doctor told me to just loose weight.

Makel 08-04-14 07:04 PM

I just don't see how I could possibly eat more fruit and veggies.

datlas 08-04-14 07:08 PM

Holy heck what happened here? I go out to work and come back to a big dump of posts.

Did stoney survive his surgery? Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

halfspeed 08-04-14 07:09 PM

2 Attachment(s)
No recipes. Just food. Ribs and homemade pasta with homemade sauce from home grown tomatoes.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1407200858
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1407200873

Makel 08-04-14 07:11 PM

I'm eating rice and broccoli.

rpenmanparker 08-04-14 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Makel (Post 17006442)
Doctor told me to just loose weight.

They are silly like that. Drugs, my friend. The only way to fly.

You see my results. I will make you a deal. You match those results by dieting and I will pay you $100. And that is without even seeing your current numbers.

BillyD 08-04-14 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 17006459)
Holy heck what happened here? I go out to work and come back to a big dump of posts.

They're out of control, datlas, just running amok.

BillyD 08-04-14 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17006490)
They are silly like that. Drugs, my friend. The only way to fly.

You see my results. I will make you a deal. You match those results by dieting and I will pay you $100. And that is without even seeing your current numbers.

You couldn't be more misguided.

But I'm not going to debate it with you, I'm not a long-winded man. Let's just agree to disagree.

Moving right along . . . . heck of a nice day today, don't you think?

surgeonstone 08-04-14 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 17005809)
Its illegal so please just tell me its a malamute. That's all I will say on the subject.

True blue quite large hybrid owned by a young female surgical tech I know in west virginiq, of course. She would collect road to feed it.

Velo Vol 08-04-14 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 17006267)
It's Hawaiian shirt and shorts day, BTW.

It is?

Makel 08-04-14 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17006490)
They are silly like that. Drugs, my friend. The only way to fly.

You see my results. I will make you a deal. You match those results by dieting and I will pay you $100. And that is without even seeing your current numbers.

okay, let you know in a few months.

Velo Vol 08-04-14 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 17006528)
But I'm not going to debate it with you, I'm not a long-winded man.

Why not?

Makel 08-04-14 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 17006528)
You couldn't be more misguided.

But I'm not going to debate it with you, I'm not a long-winded man. Let's just agree to disagree.

Moving right along . . . . heck of a nice day today, don't you think?

I'll let you know to.


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