Really?

Some are suggesting that we smash the machines that produce the labour saving devices (or technology in general) used to produce the goods we now enjoy?

I get it from the ecological standpoint but what other argument is being made? And by whom?

That makes my head hurt.

I meant destruction in a bicycle (example of technology) asplosion sense. Not somebody actively attacking modern industry.

Its the Beatles, they are a British pop band, not Germane.

Ah.

I think the term gets used incorrectly quite often. One of my majors was in history.

I focused on protoindustrialization and early industrialization and how it affected workers, their lives and that of their families. When I hear the term it means something specific to me and that invloves the destruction of technology, specifically equipment used in industrial scale production.

Perhaps, but they made their name early in their career in Hamburge.

Isn't being reasonably well-education a violation of the 41's terms of service?

Come on in. The water's fine.

Did somebody mention hamburgers???

Yumm!

If not, they should have. That reminds me, I need another beer.

...in fairness, some of their original success was in Hamburg.


...oops, halfie beat me.

huh? whachu got agens edjumucation?

No dark sarcasm in the classroom.

Shut up, Bob.

Hey, teachers, leave those kids alone!

I'd say most of the people I know with 40 years of experience have decided they prefer steel or titanium. Of course, that doesn't mean much, because A) the people I know with 40 years of experience are, by definition, old, and B) the people I know are a very, very small slice of reality.

Obviously not, being as this website (and Bob Doplina's livelihood) owe their entire existence to them.

The funny part is that nobody here wrote anything about "certain failure and death" but here's Bob to complain about people attributing things he didn't say.

Go sell some more carbon to rich Freds, Bob.

We rich freds laugh at your proletarian ferrophilic budget.

JFWIW, I have a 1986 Guerciotti (Alan) carbon frame. It still works just fine. I'm comfortable riding it because I am certain of its history. Eventually I suspect the glued joints might fail so I keep an eye/ear on it. The carbon itself should outlast me quite easily. And, should I decide I need to go road racing again, I would be perfectly comfortable buying and using a new carbon frame - though you can count on the fact that I would be inspecting it (and quite possibly replacing the fork) after every crash.

So I'm not "anti-carbon". I'm just pro-reality. And I'm aware that makes me a pariah in places like this.

Haven't heard that one before.

Bite me.

...must be lost.