On The Road Etiquette Question
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On The Road Etiquette Question
I have read more than once that it is a good practice for a biker (assume a 'country, two lane road') to signal when said biker sees that it is safe for the car behind him/her to pass.
I have never liked this perspective. I don't like it when I am in the car and "get the signal" because I have no idea what kind of judgment/parameters said biker used to 'determine it is safe'. Yet I feel somehow compelled to pass or be viewed as inconsiderate or something.
Similarly I don't like giving these signals because I have no idea what kind of driving skills the person behind me has, what kind of pickup his/her vehicle has, what the driver behind me is or is not comfortable with, etc. So I NEVER do this.
But I am wondering how others feel about this (both as the biker and the driver).
Thanks.
dave
I have never liked this perspective. I don't like it when I am in the car and "get the signal" because I have no idea what kind of judgment/parameters said biker used to 'determine it is safe'. Yet I feel somehow compelled to pass or be viewed as inconsiderate or something.
Similarly I don't like giving these signals because I have no idea what kind of driving skills the person behind me has, what kind of pickup his/her vehicle has, what the driver behind me is or is not comfortable with, etc. So I NEVER do this.
But I am wondering how others feel about this (both as the biker and the driver).
Thanks.
dave
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I hold a safe line and leave it up to the driver to determine a safe time to pass. Normally they pass using the 3-feet law and at a good time.
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I signal. If they opt to ignore the signal, no harm done. But at least I've indicated that I'm aware of them and am aware they would probably like to pass. I'm all for encouraging a mutual recognition and spirit of cooperation.
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I signal my own intentions.
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As a cyclist, if drivers behind me are following patiently I wave them through when I deem it's safe to pass. As the driver of a car, I only drive what I can see.
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FWIW, we deal with the same thing moving farm equipment. Same deal - we try to signal when it's clear to pass, but understand when a driver wants to wait till they see for themselves.
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I use lane positioning as the first signal - I'll move from the center of the lane towards the right edge.
If that isn't sufficient, I'll wave the driver through.
.: YES I know you are there, YES it appears clear for you to pass; and NO I don't like having cars stack up behind me.
If it's really bad I will stop and step off the road until cars pass.
As a car driver, I appreciate that the cyclist has communicated that he is aware of me and wishes to be cooperative; but I'll decide if I can make the pass safely myself.
On the flip side, if I am on the bike and passing is unsafe I take an aggressive lane position and extend my L arm out and down, fingers spread, palm facing backward.
If that isn't sufficient, I'll wave the driver through.
.: YES I know you are there, YES it appears clear for you to pass; and NO I don't like having cars stack up behind me.
If it's really bad I will stop and step off the road until cars pass.
As a car driver, I appreciate that the cyclist has communicated that he is aware of me and wishes to be cooperative; but I'll decide if I can make the pass safely myself.
On the flip side, if I am on the bike and passing is unsafe I take an aggressive lane position and extend my L arm out and down, fingers spread, palm facing backward.
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I signal. When I'm a driver and see the signal, I get ready to pass, but don't come alongside the rider until I can see. I appreciate it.
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I usually wave for someone to pass me when two conditions are met:
1) the road is safe and clear to pass
2) they are still following me after it has been obvious for a while that it is safe and clear to pass but they still haven't done so.
Maybe it's just drivers in this state. Honestly, drivers here are terrible at passing other cars on marked two lane roads.
1) the road is safe and clear to pass
2) they are still following me after it has been obvious for a while that it is safe and clear to pass but they still haven't done so.
Maybe it's just drivers in this state. Honestly, drivers here are terrible at passing other cars on marked two lane roads.
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I'm with the OP and don't wave cars forward. I also employ the NKFrench method of using lane position as a signal, in addition to head-checks. If a driver doesn't know I'm aware of them, they're not paying attention. Sometimes, in those cases when the driver doesn't respond to my actions, I'll move back to the center of the lane to increase my conspicuity.
the one exception is group rides in hilly terrain, when it's not only difficult to see when it's safe to pass, but difficult to know who knows a car is behind.
the one exception is group rides in hilly terrain, when it's not only difficult to see when it's safe to pass, but difficult to know who knows a car is behind.
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Usually the car will just slow and move over to pass me, If the car decides to wait or I like to say "stalk me," I wave them on if there are no upcoming cars. Is it just me or do others get nervous if there is a car slowly driving behind you.
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I move over and leave the driver enough room to pass. To me it's a common sense survival instinct to defend against idiot drivers. I don't believe I've ever "signaled" to a driver when it's safe to pass. They can see for themselves, I'm not a tractor trailer blocking their view.
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I don't generally signal. I'll always move over a bit which is a clear indication that I'm aware of the car's presence. The exception to this practice is a driver that is nervous about passing; I don't like cars hanging around at my 8 o'clock position. I'll wave these guys buy, obviously only if it's crystal clear that they have a passing opportunity.
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FYI...Someone in our club, who is also an Assistant U.S. Attorney, looked into the liability issue related to waiving people around. In at least one case, a motorist was held partially liable for waving a car around when it turned out that it was not safe to pass and an accident occurred.
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FYI...Someone in our club, who is also an Assistant U.S. Attorney, looked into the liability issue related to waiving people around. In at least one case, a motorist was held partially liable for waving a car around when it turned out that it was not safe to pass and an accident occurred.
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I will signal them to pass and wave a "thanks" that they were patient and courteous rather than trying to squeeze me over.
It costs nothing to be courteous and may reap rewards.
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