Why are snobs against seatbags, frame bags, and/or handlebar bags?
11-01-14, 09:46 AM
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I don't agree, but everyone has their own shtick. If I were going to ride tires that long, I would for sure put the new one on the front and move the front to the rear. I would never want that old a tire on the front. Actually I do that anyway even though I toss them at the smooth indicator stage (Conti GP 4000s).
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I don't agree, but everyone has their own shtick. If I were going to ride tires that long, I would for sure put the new one on the front and move the front to the rear. I would never want that old a tire on the front. Actually I do that anyway even though I toss them at the smooth indicator stage (Conti GP 4000s).
i even rotate my tyres.
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I used to too, but was severely chastised for it on the 41. I now see the light. You want as new a tire as possible on the front for good steering and best protection against possibly catastrophic front flats. Moving front to back and putting on a new front gets just as much wear from your tires, but it is safer. The only problem is if you like your tires to match AND want to change what tires you are using. I have never had that problem. I do like them to match, but am not changing from the 4000s.
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Hi Cue,
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
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Hi Cue,
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
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The only blowouts I've seen on the road have also taken out the tire. I used to keep a tube stuffed up under the saddle between the rails, but then I switched saddle/post and the new setup wouldn't take a tube, so I just stopped. Haven't ever needed a tube.
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Hi Cue,
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
You kind of answered you own question, didn't you? Answer: Because they're "snobs". But you risk becoming one, yourself, when you label riders who prefer to stuff their jersey pockets instead of a bag as being "dumb".
Rarely can all riders be grouped into a single category and labeling one group as "snobs" is pretty shallow. There will always be people who want to look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image. But we shouldn't let that mislead us into thinking that all folks who look "cool" or "hip" or "pro" are doing it out of snobbery. They may have legitimate reasons.
Let me ask you this: How much do you ride? How fast do you ride? Do you ride just for pleasure or exercise? Or do you train to achieve a goal (like completing a century) or train in preparation for a race?
Depending on what you do with your bike, you may desire to reduce your and your bike's resistance to wind. That's what the pursuit of a low aerodynamic profile is all about. Riders who strive for this often abandon the use of bags because most of them have the opposite effect---they increase "drag" and increase their resistance to wind. In other words, they slow them down. Carrying their gear in their jersey pockets on their low back helps reduce that drag and lower their wind resistance---even if it looks goofy.
So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs. The fact that some are, is a different issue altogether.
My typical daily training ride is 35 miles so I rack up a lot of miles during the riding season. Depending on my goals, I sometimes carry an Ibera bag on an Ibera rack because I train for long distance rides and sometimes I need to carry more gear in case I need to do a repair without SAG support. I have a vintage Fuji road bike with a quad-butted steel frame for this. I'll also use it when I want the added weight and wind resistance to help me become stronger---especially when I ride against the wind as often happens along Lake Michigan were I ride.
But when I train for speed, I'll run the same course on my carbon Fuji which is much more streamline and I may not carry any bag. So it depends what I'm doing. I think you'll find that other riders mix it up, too.
Kind regards, RoadLight
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Never needed a tube? Where do you live?
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And "no", the original question was not "dumb". Now who's throwing around the pejoratives?! There is definitely a "snobbish" attitude in some cycling circles that newbies pick up on. The error that we fall into, in my opinion, is painting everyone with such a broad brush stroke. In the case of the OP, there are legitimate reasons to stuff your jersey pockets instead of carrying a bag just as there are valid reasons to carry one or more bags.
In the end, being a "snob" has nothing to do with whether or not you carry a bag on your bike or whether or not you try to configure your bike like a "pro". It is simply an attitude. You can find it most anywhere.
Kind regards, RoadLight
11-01-14, 11:57 AM
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Where did you get that idea? I didn't say it. What I wrote was: "...and will look down on and deride those who they perceive as not having the same image." You can strive to look however you want. Go ahead and be the coolest of the cool in whatever way you desire. But when you go the extra step of denigrating others who choose to look different, you've crossed the line.
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I've run over debris after rainstorms, and had to pull out 17 thorns. No way would I want to patch that tube.
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It's too bad you didn't read my entire post---even though you quoted all of it. If you had read it you would have seen that I agree with you in principle. For example, I wrote: "So there are legitimate reasons for their mode of thinking. They aren't necessarily being snobs."
And "no", the original question was not "dumb". Now who's throwing around the pejoratives?! There is definitely a "snobbish" attitude in some cycling circles that newbies pick up on. The error that we fall into, in my opinion, is painting everyone with such a broad brush stroke. In the case of the OP, there are legitimate reasons to stuff your jersey pockets instead of carrying a bag just as there are valid reasons to carry one or more bags.
In the end, being a "snob" has nothing to do with whether or not you carry a bag on your bike or whether or not you try to configure your bike like a "pro". It is simply an attitude. You can find it most anywhere.
Kind regards, RoadLight
And "no", the original question was not "dumb". Now who's throwing around the pejoratives?! There is definitely a "snobbish" attitude in some cycling circles that newbies pick up on. The error that we fall into, in my opinion, is painting everyone with such a broad brush stroke. In the case of the OP, there are legitimate reasons to stuff your jersey pockets instead of carrying a bag just as there are valid reasons to carry one or more bags.
In the end, being a "snob" has nothing to do with whether or not you carry a bag on your bike or whether or not you try to configure your bike like a "pro". It is simply an attitude. You can find it most anywhere.
Kind regards, RoadLight
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7 pages and counting on the ins and out of bags on a bike. Who knew what an important topic this would become?
If you don't have a DIY bag, you may be a closet snot (no that's not a typo,
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Here is Dave Moulton's discussion for making a cheap bag,
Dave Moulton's Blog - Dave Moulton's Bike Blog
If you don't have a DIY bag, you may be a closet snot (no that's not a typo,
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Dave Moulton's Blog - Dave Moulton's Bike Blog
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Unfortunately I didn't follow my own advice and although I was leading my cat I DNF 11 km from the finish due to a tire with 3400km.
11-01-14, 12:26 PM
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I see some bikes here don't even have a saddle bag. And the posters say they put their tools in their back pockets. Yeah, I got pockets too, but I much rather have my bike carrying the stuff than on myself.
For example, my seatbag carries the tools, tubes, and patches. My handlebar bag carries the riding essentials such as wind breakers, warmers, gloves for when it's cold. My back pocket is for the keys, cash, phone, and food. I'm getting some frame bags so I don't have to carry the food on long rides in my back pocket.
Each to his own but it's dumb to carry all this stuff in your back pockets so your bike can look "pro".
For example, my seatbag carries the tools, tubes, and patches. My handlebar bag carries the riding essentials such as wind breakers, warmers, gloves for when it's cold. My back pocket is for the keys, cash, phone, and food. I'm getting some frame bags so I don't have to carry the food on long rides in my back pocket.
Each to his own but it's dumb to carry all this stuff in your back pockets so your bike can look "pro".
11-01-14, 12:27 PM
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No. I'm not descending at speed with tires that worn. I risk not only myself but others racing. Safety first. If you can't afford not to ride on tires with the cords nearly showing, don't go racing.
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Because they are flat sectioned, and worn. I'm done with not finishing a race because a worn tire flatted to easy. Fresh rubber means less puntures.
Unfortunately I didn't follow my own advice and although I was leading my cat I DNF 11 km from the finish due to a tire with 3400km.
Unfortunately I didn't follow my own advice and although I was leading my cat I DNF 11 km from the finish due to a tire with 3400km.