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Old 12-29-14, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by achoo
Data looks ancient.
The study cited in the OP was from 2001, so it's a good match.
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Originally Posted by achoo
But you'd still be saving less than 500g over aero wheels. For that 5-8W gain in lower power needed to accelerate, you're giving up 10-15W to drag all the time.
But we still have wheels that are less affected by crosswinds, and brake better.
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For non-competitive riding, what is the advantage of aero rims ?
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
For non-competitive riding, what is the advantage of aero rims ?
Chicks dig 'em. And if that doesn't do it, you can always buy a Mustang.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
For non-competitive riding, what is the advantage of aero rims ?
They are faster, so you can finish your fun rides in less time.

Actually, wouldn't that make your ride less fun?
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht
They are faster, so you can finish your fun rides in less time.

Actually, wouldn't that make your ride less fun?
Quality over quantity!

What about unfun rides? I took the guys out this past weekend and...err...there was this 17 mile section of hills I plotted, after a bit every turn was greated with derisive snorts of disbelief, "Come on! Really?" lmao...

Finishing was fun. Ha!
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Old 12-29-14, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
For non-competitive riding, what is the advantage of aero rims ?
The same as buying fast cars, fast skis, fast boats, or whatever.

Or how about why ride a road bike for non-competitive events? Hybrids work as well.
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Originally Posted by svtmike
The study cited in the OP was from 2001, so it's a good match.
Physics hasn't changed in, oh, about 14 billion years.

Rim weights have changed a lot in 15 years.

Bad match.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
The same as buying fast cars, fast skis, fast boats, or whatever.

Or how about why ride a road bike for non-competitive events? Hybrids work as well.
With fast cars & boats, you can tell you are going faster than a "normal" car or boat.
With aero wheels, you assume you are going faster based on somebody's wind tunnel tests.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
With fast cars & boats, you can tell you are going faster than a "normal" car or boat.
With aero wheels, you assume you are going faster based on wind tunnel tests.
Let me use this one then. Same reason people use bright colored bar tape, lighter weight saddles, lighter seat posts, or like fancy paint jobs on frames.

And aero wheels are faster regardless of competition or not. I ride and train all the time in aero wheels to the point where I am comfortable with just about any reasonable winds.

Oh and the differences between 25 and 23 tires are only noticeable on lab testing as well but they are faster regardless.
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
Isn't it quite flat where you live? The best all purpose wheel I can hope for where I live is semi-aero. I have significant hills to the North, a River to the West and coast to the East (Crosswinds...)....but if I lived in the flats I'd definitely go for 50mm+...
Yes, but I really mean it: I don't like deep carbon wheels.
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Originally Posted by achoo
Physics hasn't changed in, oh, about 14 billion years.

Rim weights have changed a lot in 15 years.

Bad match.
Not in the context of gleefully beating an old dead horse.
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it's really just personal. like, "blue is my favorite color".
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Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan
it's really just personal. like, "blue is my favorite color".
Nope. Blue is not your favorite color.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Yes, but do you not know the meaning of the word "like"? I don't like deep carbon wheels.
Define "deep". Would you consider something like a zip 303 deep? To me, seems like kind of the best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
Define "deep". Would you consider something like a zip 303 deep? To me, seems like kind of the best of both worlds.
45 mm is pretty deep to me. I just like shallow aluminum rims. Especially the price. So shoot me.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
Define "deep". Would you consider something like a zip 303 deep? To me, seems like kind of the best of both worlds.
Seems more like the best of neither world to me. Not really light and snappy, not really aero. I'd rather have two sets of wheels (or just one of the two) than a single compromise set. If I could only have one, I'd go with the shallow aluminum rim so I could have something usable in gusty conditions.
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Originally Posted by svtmike
Not in the context of gleefully beating an old dead horse.
Yeah, what is with the repeated overblown posting of things like, "Rotating weight is so bad a mere extra gram or two in your wheels kills puppies and drowns kittens! You're better off saving 5W for a few seconds a few times than you are saving 10-15W all the time!!!!"
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Come ride A1A in South Florida and tell me how you like aero wheels in the constant crosswinds
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Nope. Blue is not your favorite color.
#t=81
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Originally Posted by achoo
#t=81
Dang it. Anyone know if it's possible to force the embed to jump to a specified time?

In this case, 81 seconds....
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Originally Posted by floridamtb
Come ride A1A in South Florida and tell me how you like aero wheels in the constant crosswinds
Aero aficionados say after awhile the crosswinds stop bothering you. The while that crosswinds had to be after was too long for me. Supposedly new designs aren't affected by crosswinds as badly as old flat V shaped deep rims. I have no idea what not as badly actually means. Anything worse than a Kinlin XR-200 would be too bad for me.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Nope. Blue is not your favorite color.
you are right, it's not. blue was just an example. and so my real favorite color shall remain a great mystery.

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Originally Posted by achoo
Dang it. Anyone know if it's possible to force the embed to jump to a specified time?

In this case, 81 seconds....
no i don't but, when i right click on a video, the options lead me to believe that it is. and you are right, it would have played better if edited. first world problem...

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Aero aficionados say after awhile the crosswinds stop bothering you. The while that crosswinds had to be after was too long for me. Supposedly new designs aren't affected by crosswinds as badly as old flat V shaped deep rims. I have no idea what not as badly actually means. Anything worse than a Kinlin XR-200 would be too bad for me.
You get used to a steady crosswind, but sudden gusts are the scary ones. I'll use aero wheels in TTs, but for everyday use, shallow aluminum wheels make far more sense.

I built my Stan's wheelset(1275g) for about $200 (The hoops were free), but it's easy to build some for around $450.
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