Originally Posted by valygrl (Post 17563956)

Why? two C02's for the first 2 flats, pump for subsequent flats and seating the tire prior to C02. Why not just the pump? It's way too slow. All those flats might be yours or they might be your friends' flats. i won't give a friend my last C02 cart, but i'll loan the pump. If I'm on a training ride, i don't care if I'm carrying a little extra weight. If I'm racing, none of that stuff is on the bike anyway, so it doesn't matter.

If your head unit is bulky you have the wrong one.

I carry 2 C02's, a really small inflator head, and a mini pump on the frame. Why not a full size pump? I think they are ugly, and I don't think it would fit on my tiny frame anyway. I don't put that stuff in my pockets because my pockets need to be available for other stuff.

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564665)

I've seen it more than once, and I guarantee you that, if you look in the rubbish bin at a trailhead or other ride start, you'll find 'em. Money down on that.

Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 17564596)

Co2 cartridges are a multi-use item:

1. ballast to bring bike weight up to UCI minimum.
2. tire inflation.
3. projectile for warding off angry dogs.

Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17564632)

Yeah this whole discussion is kind of like, "Let him who is without sin among you, be the first to throw a stone..." Who has done a cradle-to-grave ecological footprint analysis of CO2 cartridges? Who knows how they compare, on average, to using a pump? How many cartridges the average user will consume during the lifetime of one pump and what the difference in ecological stress that will represent? Is that amount of waste (assuming the CO2 is disadvantaged) significant compared to other lifestyle choices we make? This is all beyond ridiculous...just like the last 100 times it was discussed.

Originally Posted by cellery (Post 17564671)

AHEM. CO2 cartridges are recyclable. I suppose the canister hater is a 70s steel touring retrogrouch with hemp shoes in old toe clips or something?

FAQ - Genuine Innovations

Laziness? What a joke. If using a canister instead of a pump is lazy then it's lazy for me to do a two hour ride on a wednesday instead of a 4 hour ride on a saturday... Seriously, just ride your bike and don't worry so much about how other people handle the technical aspects of getting themselves unstranded from the middle of nowhere.

Originally Posted by Leinster (Post 17564642)

"Oh no, I have to sweat and make some effort for about 60 seconds before I can get back on my bike and sweat for another hour of riding. This is too much inconvenience for me."

I can see the benefit of CO2 in a race, TT, Tri or other event where an extra 60-90 seconds can make the world of difference. Even on a fast, no-wait group ride I'm sure it'd be worthwhile. But the day you have your (C+1)th puncture (where C=no of cartridges you're carrying) on, say, a century ride, you're going to wish you had a pump. And then next ride you're carrying a pump and cartridges.

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564662)

Again, the bar is very low. I'm not asking for you, me, or anyone else to be perfect, or even make a major concession, as hang-drying laundry would be (in terms of labor, time, lifestyle, etc). Using a pump is cheap, easy, fast, part of cycling tradition, and good for you, even. Choosing a pump over CO2 is not "a commitment", it's just not being a lazy, selfish F**k.

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564698)

We know they're recyclable, smartypants. The point is that many people don't...precisely because they're the lazy type who bought them in the first place to save a bit of effort. So yes, you are lazy.

Originally Posted by AlmostTrick (Post 17564709)

My point is that there are many way more important eco footprint choices we all make every day than CO2 cartridge use. Plenty of things much higher on the laziness list too. That's quite a small potato you've chosen to rail against here.

Originally Posted by cellery (Post 17564712)

I know I'm lazy but how do you know I'm a smartypants??

Originally Posted by redtires (Post 17564737)

I forgot to mention in my previous post that I use the same saddle bag for both my road and mountain bikes, so it's an easy switch from saddle to saddle. So, by some accounts....I guess I'm SUPER lazy and not just practical.

Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 17564744)

Sounds like work.

Originally Posted by redtires (Post 17564747)

Darn....guess I'm off to the bike shop to waste more money. That would be the smart thing to do.

Originally Posted by redtires (Post 17564747)

Darn....guess I'm off to the bike shop to waste more money. That would be the smart thing to do.

Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 17564770)

Each of my bikes has it's own fully-stocked saddle bag.

#lazyass

Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 17564596)

Co2 cartridges are a multi-use item:

1. ballast to bring bike weight up to UCI minimum.
2. tire inflation.
3. projectile for warding off angry dogs.

Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 17564688)

4. provides work for those serving community service sentences.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 17564766)

You keep the economy going. :)

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564735)

It was a WAG that now looks like a brilliant insight.

Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17564632)

Yeah this whole discussion is kind of like, "Let him who is without sin among you, be the first to throw a stone..." Who has done a cradle-to-grave ecological footprint analysis of CO2 cartridges?...

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564665)

the rubbish bin at a trailhead

Originally Posted by cellery (Post 17564794)

Don't I know it! Just adding little self deprecation to balance out the banal eco smugness.

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564837)

Oh, I'm not eco. I run a couple of vintage sports cars that burn up the dino juice at rates to rival the eco crowd's favorite scapegoats, SUVs. I am smug about not using CO2, though.

Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 17564665)

I've seen it more than once, and I guarantee you that, if you look in the rubbish bin at a trailhead or other ride start, you'll find 'em. Money down on that.

Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 17564862)

What does that have to do with me?