Pump or CO2?
02-18-15 | 11:46 AM
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Why? two C02's for the first 2 flats, pump for subsequent flats and seating the tire prior to C02. Why not just the pump? It's way too slow. All those flats might be yours or they might be your friends' flats. i won't give a friend my last C02 cart, but i'll loan the pump. If I'm on a training ride, i don't care if I'm carrying a little extra weight. If I'm racing, none of that stuff is on the bike anyway, so it doesn't matter.
If your head unit is bulky you have the wrong one.
I carry 2 C02's, a really small inflator head, and a mini pump on the frame. Why not a full size pump? I think they are ugly, and I don't think it would fit on my tiny frame anyway. I don't put that stuff in my pockets because my pockets need to be available for other stuff.
If your head unit is bulky you have the wrong one.
I carry 2 C02's, a really small inflator head, and a mini pump on the frame. Why not a full size pump? I think they are ugly, and I don't think it would fit on my tiny frame anyway. I don't put that stuff in my pockets because my pockets need to be available for other stuff.
A pump and co2 do the same thing. Redundant. No way I'm carrying both.
02-18-15 | 11:48 AM
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I'm not sick but I'm not well.
02-18-15 | 11:48 AM
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Yeah this whole discussion is kind of like, "Let him who is without sin among you, be the first to throw a stone..." Who has done a cradle-to-grave ecological footprint analysis of CO2 cartridges? Who knows how they compare, on average, to using a pump? How many cartridges the average user will consume during the lifetime of one pump and what the difference in ecological stress that will represent? Is that amount of waste (assuming the CO2 is disadvantaged) significant compared to other lifestyle choices we make? This is all beyond ridiculous...just like the last 100 times it was discussed.
02-18-15 | 11:50 AM
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AHEM. CO2 cartridges are recyclable. I suppose the canister hater is a 70s steel touring retrogrouch with hemp shoes in old toe clips or something?
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Laziness? What a joke. If using a canister instead of a pump is lazy then it's lazy for me to do a two hour ride on a wednesday instead of a 4 hour ride on a saturday... Seriously, just ride your bike and don't worry so much about how other people handle the technical aspects of getting themselves unstranded from the middle of nowhere.
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Laziness? What a joke. If using a canister instead of a pump is lazy then it's lazy for me to do a two hour ride on a wednesday instead of a 4 hour ride on a saturday... Seriously, just ride your bike and don't worry so much about how other people handle the technical aspects of getting themselves unstranded from the middle of nowhere.
02-18-15 | 11:51 AM
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"Oh no, I have to sweat and make some effort for about 60 seconds before I can get back on my bike and sweat for another hour of riding. This is too much inconvenience for me."
I can see the benefit of CO2 in a race, TT, Tri or other event where an extra 60-90 seconds can make the world of difference. Even on a fast, no-wait group ride I'm sure it'd be worthwhile. But the day you have your (C+1)th puncture (where C=no of cartridges you're carrying) on, say, a century ride, you're going to wish you had a pump. And then next ride you're carrying a pump and cartridges.
I can see the benefit of CO2 in a race, TT, Tri or other event where an extra 60-90 seconds can make the world of difference. Even on a fast, no-wait group ride I'm sure it'd be worthwhile. But the day you have your (C+1)th puncture (where C=no of cartridges you're carrying) on, say, a century ride, you're going to wish you had a pump. And then next ride you're carrying a pump and cartridges.
At 9,000-10,000 milesish a year, I'm not too worried about exercise.
When I raced, it was about 25,000 miles per year.
Oh...1 puncture in the last year.
It's not a problem. But I am always open to informed advice.
02-18-15 | 11:53 AM
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Again, the bar is very low. I'm not asking for you, me, or anyone else to be perfect, or even make a major concession, as hang-drying laundry would be (in terms of labor, time, lifestyle, etc). Using a pump is cheap, easy, fast, part of cycling tradition, and good for you, even. Choosing a pump over CO2 is not "a commitment", it's just not being a lazy, selfish F**k.
02-18-15 | 11:54 AM
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02-18-15 | 12:01 PM
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Sure, I get that, but yet, this was an easy choice to make right (provided one doesn't elevate laziness as the prime criterion), and is one of those small things that just speaks volumes. Will using a pump bring back extinct species and create heaven on Earth? Of course not, but using CO2 still looks bad.
02-18-15 | 12:02 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HarveyD
I'm not sick but I'm not well.
02-18-15 | 12:02 PM
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I forgot to mention in my previous post that I use the same saddle bag for both my road and mountain bikes, so it's an easy switch from saddle to saddle. So, by some accounts....I guess I'm SUPER lazy and not just practical.
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02-18-15 | 12:04 PM
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Sounds like work.
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I'm not sick but I'm not well.
02-18-15 | 12:05 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:11 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:13 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HarveyD
I'm not sick but I'm not well.
02-18-15 | 12:19 PM
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Depends on the bike. For the road bike, I use CO2 because I hate trying to get up to 100 psi or so with a minipump. The other bikes have lower tire pressure, so i use pumps.
02-18-15 | 12:23 PM
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I do recall repairing a flat one night, in freezing rain. It's hard to imagine someone begrudging me the time saved as laziness, not that you'd particularly care in that situation. I've used maybe three of them in the last 5 years so I'd say that it's only a small amount of laziness. Considering that I have probably expended more energy carrying them around (5500 - 7300 miles per year
@roadwarrior) than I have saved by not pumping by hand on the couple of flats.
02-18-15 | 12:26 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:27 PM
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Oh, I'm not eco. I run a couple of vintage sports cars that burn up the dino juice at rates to rival the eco crowd's favorite scapegoats, SUVs. I am smug about not using CO2, though.
02-18-15 | 12:34 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:35 PM
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02-18-15 | 12:37 PM
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