Perhaps I’m so wrapped up in my C&V bubble, but wouldn’t you think that Cinelli could easily re-introduce some of the great classic stems (and bars for that matter) from the past? No developing research is needed, all they have to do is put it on their website. Heck they might even still have the machinery to produce them.

After all, Nitto still sells them and Origin8 basically sells a copy of the XA.

It also might be a reason for more retro custom builders to offer 1 inch threaded forks again, once Cinelli as one of the main producer of quill stems for many years offers them again.

Don’t get me wrong, of all vintage components that are no longer being made Cinelli quill stems plus bars are not particular hard to find, it's just a thought!

I prefer Nitto; all I remember of the Cinelli bars and stems of my past is how much they creaked.

With that said, I was a big fan of the Mod. 65's.

Love Cinelli stems! Actually I love quill stems a bit. Might be my favourite part of the bike!

after they introduced the 1R, that was all I ever used. I broke one a few years back, and they did creak. The 1A is a beautiful stem, I think it is one of the nicest looking stems ever made.

They creak? News to me. And I use some old bars and stems. Never heard them creak.

There seems to be an endless supply of vintage Cinelli bars and stems on ebay. Heck, I have some old ones if you are looking for a long one, 10-13cm.

I've always liked the older curved bars, never cared for the ergonomic Cinelli bars.
Having the bars means you need the stems, hence the 5 sets I'm currently riding.

Is the creaking a danger signal? I quit using a Cinelli handlebar a while back because I was afraid it was going to suddenly snap or something.

If they did, the would probably figure out some way to hipsterize them and make them ugly like everything else they sell currently.

Creaky stem, grease your steer-tube.

I found this read about the Cinelli Forged Quill stem: https://www.velominati.com/blog/gener...d-quill-stems/

The pictures at the end are awesome!

Didn't the great majority of Cinelli stems use an expander nut? Can someone explain to me why a company would use this design over a wedge? As far as I can tell, the expander nut is terrible design compared to the wedge.

No.
I really don't see a difference functionally. The expander nut is probably less expensive to make and allows for the bolt to be axially aligned. The expansion is nearly 360 degrees minus the slots providing a uniform distribution of force against the steerer. Also the force tends to be a radial line normal to the axis of the tube. This may allow for a higher force applied to the steerer. It also may cause deformation to the edge of the stem opening. The stem can be cut normal to the axis and the slots easily cut into the tube.

The wedge and the tube have to be at the same angle, or nearly so for distribution of mating surface. This requires two surfaces to be created not at 90 degrees (fixturing required to create angle - $). The forces are opposite each other and along the axis of the tube resulting in a force vectors parallel to the axis and a longer line of force compared to the cylindrical one of the expander nut. The axis of the bolt is retained but the cylindrical shape becomes much like an ellipse. The overall length of the tube needs to be longer to account for the angle, requiring more material - $.

In either case, if the stem OD is off slightly from the ID of steerer, creaking can occur. I have not had that problem with Cinelli's but with 3TTT to the point of significant deformation at the end of the steerer tube.

The market for new ones is probably too small, especially when every idiot and his brother is selling vintage ones on flea-bay. You kinda wonder though, how they got all these vintage stems, are there vintage bikes wandering around missing their stems?

Finite market. Period.

There is a modern Cinelli stem/bar combo on local CL, would be nice on my modern bike.

However, I'm not removing a CF bar and stem just to get Cinelli.
The modern ergo Cinelli's don't fit my hands, anyway, few bars do.

If I'm going to go numb, it may as well be on CF bars, and at least I'll look cool doing it.

My hands have never gone numb on 66's or 64's.

allow me a little thread hi-jack: many years ago I was a student studying Industrial Design. One of my Lecturers had recently returned to the States after living (and working a little) in Italy, specifically Rome and Milan. He used his recollection of Cinelli to illustrate his impressions of how products were manufactured in Italy. According to him, the culture did not encourage firms to grow large and bring all processes in-house, rather there was a strong independent streak within the skilled trades and many "artisan/jobbers" who would be employed to produce things and deliver piece-goods to the big cheese. His claim was that Cinelli used a bunch of small shops around Milan who could take an order and forge aluminum alloy (more or less) to Cinelli specs, then delivery to Cinelli (or a finisher) for polishing and anodizing...the only thing Cinelli needed do was the last quality check and packaging. He said (and I may have seen examples but can't be sure) that if you compared enough individual stems to each other you could detect variations in the forging marks, the shapes, even the logo stamp placement.
Whether true or not I believed it then and it's still an interesting story.

When and if my stem started to creak I would pull out the stem and grease the head of the bolt to the stem as I could flex in the stem. I have never broke one and my stable has 8 or 9 on bikes.

According to this, they are making 1A stems and Giro bars again:
https://prollyisnotprobably.com/2011/...elli_produ.php

As I remember it, it's an era thing. The stems up to about the early 1970's all used expander nuts but then there was a migration to the wedge arrangement that is simpler to make, (usually) releases more cleanly, tightens firmer = but is a REAL PITA if it gets well & truly seized! YMMV, I could be wrong but that's the way I remember it now. please correct me if I got it wrong.

True. I'm not a fan of aluminum stem bolts either. I've snapped one. That's not going to happen with a steel bolt.

You said it all there Colonel! This is one bolt where strength makes the difference between forget-it reliability and unforgettable facial reconstructive surgery.

doubly confirmed. Announced at NAHBS

Another diagnosis and solution for creaks in older Cinelli handlebars: Loctite on the sleeve that goes around the handlebar:
https://rayhosler.wordpress.com/2010/...aky-handlebar/

Yep...Saw that at the Cinelli booth today...right now the pre-production stem has a laser etched logo instead of engraving...hopefully that will be changed in production...but...probably not. The bars looked perfect (the same).

+1! I'd do the stem/bar interface and the stem/cone interfaces as well, and why not a dab on the bolt threads? Plus, run a rag into the inside of the steer tube and wipe out any dust/grit that may be there. THEN grease and install.

Cone v wedge affect how much insertion and adjustment range you can have on small frames, with head tubes only about 10 cm. Makes a significant difference. Wedges are more restrictive.

I haven't seen any difference in seizing - if I grease my installations, I don't get any seizing.

There is just no market. Used classifieds and eBay satisfy the demand, and most cyclists are lemmings, or rather sheep depending on your categorization, believing they need the latest/greatest cycling trend (disc brakes, threadless forks, "modern" 700c rims (622bsd) vs "old" 27 inch rims (630bsd), 11/10/9 speeds etc.).