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01-31-24, 08:37 AM
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01-31-24, 08:38 AM
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On my most recent purchase/lease of the ‘22 4Runner there was little negotiating to be had. It was a post pandemic sellers market during a chip shortage. There was no selecting from inventory, there was no ordering, there was only agreeing to accept what was on the boat coming across the pond, or look elsewhere. And all the dealers were in the same boat, no pun intended. I felt lucky to have finally gotten what I was seeking for months, a midnight blue SR5 model, the only one on the ship coming to this dealer.
It had extra **** on it I did not want but had to accept anyway. The skid plate was no big deal, I just left it in place. But the roof basket I removed because it’s an eyesore and I’ll never use it. The blacked out wheels definitely had to go, and I even had to pay extra to have them swapped out. I kind of felt like I had been molested by the inmate in the cell next to me by the time I drove away with my new ride.
But I felt lucky that my monthly nut was basically the same as my previous vehicle.
It had extra **** on it I did not want but had to accept anyway. The skid plate was no big deal, I just left it in place. But the roof basket I removed because it’s an eyesore and I’ll never use it. The blacked out wheels definitely had to go, and I even had to pay extra to have them swapped out. I kind of felt like I had been molested by the inmate in the cell next to me by the time I drove away with my new ride.
But I felt lucky that my monthly nut was basically the same as my previous vehicle. 
01-31-24, 08:38 AM
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Lots of variables. A low priced car may only have a few hundred in it for the dealer. Cars costing $100K will likely net the dealer $1000s.
There are "factory to dealer incentives" where the dealer can make a profit while selling the car for less than invoice. Invoice prices are not set in stone, either. Factory employees and some dealership employees can pay less than invoice.
A dealer may be willing to sell a vehicle at cost or even below if it's been sitting long enough. Or a dealer may add $1000s to the price if the vehicle is in high demand.
There are "factory to dealer incentives" where the dealer can make a profit while selling the car for less than invoice. Invoice prices are not set in stone, either. Factory employees and some dealership employees can pay less than invoice.
A dealer may be willing to sell a vehicle at cost or even below if it's been sitting long enough. Or a dealer may add $1000s to the price if the vehicle is in high demand.
01-31-24, 08:40 AM
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01-31-24, 08:40 AM
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On my most recent purchase/lease of the ‘22 4Runner there was little negotiating to be had. It was a post pandemic sellers market during a chip shortage. There was no selecting from inventory, there was no ordering, there was only agreeing to accept what was on the boat coming across the pond, or look elsewhere. And all the dealers were in the same boat, no pun intended. I felt lucky to have finally gotten what I was seeking for months, a midnight blue SR5 model, the only one on the ship coming to this dealer.
It had extra **** on it I did not want but had to accept anyway. The skid plate was no big deal, I just left it in place. But the roof basket I removed because it’s an eyesore and I’ll never use it. The blacked out wheels definitely had to go, and I even had to pay extra to have them swapped out. I kind of felt like I had been molested by the inmate in the cell next to me by the time I drove away with my new ride. But I felt lucky that my monthly nut was basically the same as my previous vehicle.
It had extra **** on it I did not want but had to accept anyway. The skid plate was no big deal, I just left it in place. But the roof basket I removed because it’s an eyesore and I’ll never use it. The blacked out wheels definitely had to go, and I even had to pay extra to have them swapped out. I kind of felt like I had been molested by the inmate in the cell next to me by the time I drove away with my new ride.
But I felt lucky that my monthly nut was basically the same as my previous vehicle.
01-31-24, 08:41 AM
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Looks like he thinks you’re he health dept or the police or something.
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01-31-24, 08:44 AM
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Depends on the market. If there are a lot of cars sitting on the dealer's lot, then it could be the holdback and the manufacturer money that you will never know about. If it is as BillyD described for his 4Runner, then it is what you are willing to pay for it.
I bought the Bronco for MSRP when they were all going for $5-10k over MSRP. We bought the Audi when there were a lot of cars on the lot and the dealers were doing everything they could to move the cars. They sold the car for less than they paid for it and even went into their holdback, but I'm sure that there was some Audi money being made on the sale. There are often manufacturer incentives to the dealers that you will not even know about.
I bought the Bronco for MSRP when they were all going for $5-10k over MSRP. We bought the Audi when there were a lot of cars on the lot and the dealers were doing everything they could to move the cars. They sold the car for less than they paid for it and even went into their holdback, but I'm sure that there was some Audi money being made on the sale. There are often manufacturer incentives to the dealers that you will not even know about.
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On my most recent purchase/lease of the ‘22 4Runner there was little negotiating to be had. It was a post pandemic sellers market during a chip shortage. There was no selecting from inventory, there was no ordering, there was only agreeing to accept what was on the boat coming across the pond, or look elsewhere. And all the dealers were in the same boat, no pun intended. I felt lucky to have finally gotten what I was seeking for months, a midnight blue SR5 model, the only one on the ship coming to this dealer.
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01-31-24, 08:53 AM
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Does this mean that you could regularly push your ride start close to 9 am? If this means that you could get more sleep (even if that means sacrificing some ride time), that could be huge for your performance and fatigue.
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01-31-24, 08:54 AM
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It's a nice song.
It depends.
LOL.
Guy how owns the business I work at got a security clearance a couple years ago to see/submit bids for work at the national laboratory. Someone came by and asked me questions about him.
He's spent many hours on that time sinkhole and has never earned any money off it.
Winter is by far the longest season.
It depends.
Guy how owns the business I work at got a security clearance a couple years ago to see/submit bids for work at the national laboratory. Someone came by and asked me questions about him.
He's spent many hours on that time sinkhole and has never earned any money off it.
Winter is by far the longest season.
01-31-24, 08:58 AM
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01-31-24, 09:07 AM
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I'm stuck in the office. But, have no fear, Friday and Saturday (when I am off) are supposed to be wet and windy
01-31-24, 09:08 AM
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01-31-24, 09:08 AM
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01-31-24, 09:12 AM
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Uh-oh
01-31-24, 09:15 AM
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01-31-24, 09:18 AM
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Awesome sauce, dude! 
On Sunday the San Diego Bicycle Club had its annual banquet to celebrate club volunteers and racers. SDBC has nearly 1,000 members, and considerable funding and volunteer contributions to grow/promote bicycling and bicycle racing in San Diego. I've been a SDBC racer for 6 or 7 years and on the BoD for a couple now as the Men's 1/2/3 team director. As such, I said some words regarding our participation, notable results, and new recruits that we are excited about for this season.
This year I took home the men's BAR award for best all around racer! Pretty neat to have my name on a club heirloom trophy that goes back to 1949:
lets goooo!
Receiving my handsome prize with the club president
Women's team always the life of the party!
This year I took home the men's BAR award for best all around racer! Pretty neat to have my name on a club heirloom trophy that goes back to 1949:
lets goooo!
Receiving my handsome prize with the club president
Women's team always the life of the party!
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01-31-24, 09:19 AM
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01-31-24, 09:21 AM
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01-31-24, 09:22 AM
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We don't really have winter here but we are supposed to get a big rainstorm Thursday and maybe more Sunday. It never gets really cold. Summer is the long season here. Way too hot for months then less hot for a while. Then some nice weather and some cooler weather, then hot again.
My friend from Tahoe was here yesterday and she said there has been very little snow this year and skiing has been crappy. This coming storm may help that area.
My friend from Tahoe was here yesterday and she said there has been very little snow this year and skiing has been crappy. This coming storm may help that area.
01-31-24, 09:26 AM
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