Bicycle deaths on the rise nationally, study finds
09-26-17, 03:18 PM
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But not on today's roads in today's numbers... AND... I am NOT the one saying that cell phones and texting are not causing problems... I think they do, as does any screen in a car... The driver's eyes should be on the road... not on some phone or "infotainment system."
I'm not the one arguing that texting isn't killing cyclists... phones/texting/infotainment is just one more distraction... beyond what has been around for 60 years. Did we need more?
09-26-17, 05:11 PM
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When my friend picked me up, they convinced me to go to the hospital. I agreed, but only if we moved all my stuff to their car, (actually, they moved all my stuff to their car). FWIW, I was *visible injured*/refused transport. My injuries were *not* insignificant, but neither were they "severe" on your biased-scale of overnight admittance, disabling, life altering, etc etc etc.
In any event, Fort Collins found the refuse rate dropped when they added bike racks to ambulances. Your disbelief not withstanding.
ps. You might want to ask first responders if people who refuse transport have insignificant boo-boos.
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In any event, Fort Collins found the refuse rate dropped when they added bike racks to ambulances. Your disbelief not withstanding.
ps. You might want to ask first responders if people who refuse transport have insignificant boo-boos.
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09-27-17, 05:52 AM
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And the whole point is no it doesn't matter what you choose to classify as a "significant" or "serious" injury. Those are made up terms by YOU.
Same exact injuries - one person injured in a motor vehicle crash, one person injured in a bicycle crash. The first person is FAR more likely to be counted among the injured than the latter.
But I'm done, there isn't any data anywhere that you believe anyway.
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09-27-17, 06:18 AM
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But that's a pretty normal response IMO.
09-27-17, 10:28 AM
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I spent the rest of the day in the hospital undergoing tests before they would release me. The first responders were correct to urge me to go to the hospital. I was incorrect to value my "precious" stuff more than my health.
And the whole point is no it doesn't matter what you choose to classify as a "significant" or "serious" injury. Those are made up terms by YOU.
And the whole point is no it doesn't matter what you choose to classify as a "significant" or "serious" injury. Those are made up terms by YOU.
You are not alone in considering that a trip to an emergency room is the definition of a serious injury. As in your case, just getting checked out after an accidental event (or "crash" if you prefer) does not in itself convert a nasty looking boo-boo into a serious or significant injury.
I consider discussion or blog posts about comparing risk of various bicycling scenarios that rely on or reference data, studies, reports and conclusions that discount the importance of weighting the injuries incurred in the events for severity, and/or that ignore the probability of (or likely exposure to) the various hazardous scenarios (such as the previously cited Cross Study) is worthless at best, often done through ignorance of the risk management process, and at worst, a biased screed (or deliberate misrepresentation of the available data) sometimes used for promoting a proprietary program of instruction.
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09-27-17, 12:02 PM
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I read a study cited in Wired magazine that automobile fatalities occur every 7,000,000 miles of driving, cycling fatalities every 1,000,000
That study also noted that the vast majority of cycling fatalities involved riders without helmets, inexperience cyclists and people pedalling through intersections.
Just the same, I'm quitting cycling when I get to 999,990 miles, because that's how statistics work.
That study also noted that the vast majority of cycling fatalities involved riders without helmets, inexperience cyclists and people pedalling through intersections.
Just the same, I'm quitting cycling when I get to 999,990 miles, because that's how statistics work.
09-30-17, 01:31 AM
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The odds of being the Expendable Red Shirt member of the Star Trek: TOS crew was much higher.
A really poor way to just say, "Be safer".
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I read a study cited in Wired magazine that automobile fatalities occur every 7,000,000 miles of driving, cycling fatalities every 1,000,000
That study also noted that the vast majority of cycling fatalities involved riders without helmets, inexperience cyclists and people pedalling through intersections.
Just the same, I'm quitting cycling when I get to 999,990 miles, because that's how statistics work.
That study also noted that the vast majority of cycling fatalities involved riders without helmets, inexperience cyclists and people pedalling through intersections.
Just the same, I'm quitting cycling when I get to 999,990 miles, because that's how statistics work.
I would gather you'd have to ride at least 50 miles every day of your life, and you wasted a few years in diapers and on a tricycle.
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Statistics threads should always be moved to Politics & Religion!
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10-02-17, 06:33 AM
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~0.1% will serve in Star Fleet.
~50% of those will be red shirts.
8 red shirts will die each year (the only reliable data we will have).
Therefore, if you will be a Red Shirt serving in Star Fleet, the odds of you dying on the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 will be 0.00016%/year.
Far safer than riding a bicycle in the United States on 21st Century Earth.
On a per-passenger-mile traveling basis, the risks of interstellar travel will not even be measurable with a 64-bit floating point number.
Now, you want dangerous? A long time ago, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field was approximately 3,720 to 1.
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10-08-17, 09:58 PM
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I'm not pedaling past the Van Allen belt.
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10-18-17, 08:48 PM
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Increase in cycling deaths is consistent with increase in pedestrian deaths in proportion to bad driving.
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1125440-smartphones-killing-americans-but-nobody-s-counting.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1125440-smartphones-killing-americans-but-nobody-s-counting.html
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10-18-17, 09:54 PM
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^^^
Not a "broken record".
Not a "broken record".
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There ...more realistic.
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