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Old 01-12-23, 01:13 PM
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Don't you have some clouds to yell at?
He hired some kids to yell at the clouds for him ... but now they're doing it from his lawn.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
It sure isn't. So many people I know only like one kind of music - the stuff that was playing on the radio when they were teenagers!

There is just so much more good music out there!
I just had this conversation with a friend. I find it sad that so many people only want to hear music that they are already familiar with, and shut off their willingness to keep exploring new artists, but this is pretty common.

My daughter (currently 18yo) and I spent a LOT of time over a lot of years in the car together traveling for her softball events. I made the conscious decision to be open to the kind of music she was into. Some I didn't like, and some I was indifferent to, but there is a lot that really enjoy. Likewise, I introduced my daughter to music that I like (old and new). Her reactions were the same. In my mid-50's, I'm still finding new music that excites me, including entire genres that I didn't really enjoy very much in the past. There is some stuff that I strongly dislike, but that's the thing about music. There is something for everyone!
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Originally Posted by rydabent
My t**** has disc brakes, and has approx 12,000 miles on it, and I have yet to change the pads. And----------------in all of those miles, I have not had to fuss with them much at all. They are just there, and they work great, and they are not even a high end brand name.
Because you dont use them much, and probably never in the rain.
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Come back when you're a REAL cyclist!

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Originally Posted by rydabent
College papers are stupid. Copy one source and you are plagiarizing, copy several and they laughingly call it research. What is the difference if you copy one or many.
Now we can add college to the list of things about which OP knows nothing....
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Bicycles have changed a great deal in the 50+ years I've been riding. If there was resistance to change, it was rather unsuccessful.

But the thread got a lot of posts and that was the apparent goal.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I find it sad that so many people only want to hear music that they are already familiar with...
Discovering new music is often wonderful and enlightening, but I don't find it "sad" that some embrace only their own known music. Take classic 1920s-1960s jazz. There are lifetimes of recordings that one can absorb, discover and rediscover. If that's your passion, that's not "sad" at all. That's to be celebrated.
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Old 01-12-23, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
What is it about the cycling community that is so resistance to change, and have such narrow minded attitudes. You can go back to 1934 when bents were banned from racing, because just one guy was winning all the races and time trials.


Bicycle racing isn't really about who has the best technology.

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Then we have the question of just who is a cyclist. The really hard core claim that unless you ride a $5000 bike, and have $500 kit you really are not a cyclist.
Who actually is saying this? Anyway, people can claim all sorts of things. You don't have to listen to them.
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Originally Posted by jon c.

But the thread got a lot of posts and that was the apparent goal.
Some of the thread has been fun.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
Discovering new music is often wonderful and enlightening, but I don't find it "sad" that some embrace only their own known music. Take classic 1920s-1960s jazz. There are lifetimes of recordings that one can absorb, discover and rediscover. If that's your passion, that's not "sad" at all. That's to be celebrated.
The close-minded "today's music sucks" attitude that tends to grow with age is what I find sad. That said, chasing the trails of the musicians who influenced our favorite artists can be a spectacular journey.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Who actually is saying this? Anyway, people can claim all sorts of things. You don't have to listen to them.
No one is saying it but Rydabent.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
Discovering new music is often wonderful and enlightening, but I don't find it "sad" that some embrace only their own known music. Take classic 1920s-1960s jazz. There are lifetimes of recordings that one can absorb, discover and rediscover. If that's your passion, that's not "sad" at all. That's to be celebrated.
That's not what he was talking about. I worked with a guy who listened to the Oldies station, like 50s to early 60s oldies. The same 12 songs all day every day. For years and years. Drove me crazy.
A friend turned me on to jazz in high school, more than 50 years ago now and I will always be grateful for that. I also like to hear new stuff and listen to a station here which plays local bands.
There is music I hate, but I'm not going to tell people who like it that it isn't music.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
The really hard core claim that unless you ride a $5000 bike, and have $500 kit you really are not a cyclist.
You and that wolf kid keep making this ludicrous assertion, yet neither of you can ever point to an example of it actually occurring. Are you guys a pair of socks or are you having some kind of mutual hallucination?
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Originally Posted by Rolla
You and that wolf kid keep making this ludicrous assertion, yet neither of you can ever point to an example of it actually occurring.
He's not wrong. I see it happen often in public settings when bikers get together.
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Originally Posted by prj71
He's not wrong. I see it happen often in public settings when bikers get together.
Can't argue with that kind of ironclad evidence.
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Originally Posted by prj71
He's not wrong. I see it happen often in public settings when bikers get together.
So, you see one group of cyclists shaming another group of cyclists because their bikes and clothes don't cost enough? Are you in junior high school?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
So, you see one group of cyclists shaming another group of cyclists because their bikes and clothes don't cost enough?

Evidently, this persecution complex is contagious.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Who actually is saying this? Anyway, people can claim all sorts of things. You don't have to listen to them.
He might not be that far off. I'd have to check the prices, but if a person has to have:

Carbon frame, Ti or modern steel
Disc brakes
Ultegra level or above and or electronic shifting

How much does that add up to? On top of that, most don't like the stock wheelsets, so they get an upgrade there. Add all that up and 5k could be close. I'm not saying it is, but it could be.
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Here you go. What does 5k get you?

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/p...ce-road-bikes/
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Originally Posted by Eric F
What are shift forks? Can you provide a diagram of where those exist on a bicycle?

Maybe try sorting out what kind of vehicle you want to talk about, and stick to just that vehicle, when you offer up unsolicited and really mediocre advice.
Looks like a cut and paste job from an explanation of hard shifting on a motorcycle, whose transmission does have shift forks.
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Originally Posted by phughes
Looks like a cut and paste job from an explanation of hard shifting on a motorcycle, whose transmission does have shift forks.
Based on other posts by the same user, and the profile link to a YouTube channel with the same type of nonsense, it appears to be some sort of bot.
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Originally Posted by seypat
He might not be that far off. I'd have to check the prices, but if a person has to have:

Carbon frame, Ti or modern steel
Disc brakes
Ultegra level or above and or electronic shifting

How much does that add up to? On top of that, most don't like the stock wheelsets, so they get an upgrade there. Add all that up and 5k could be close. I'm not saying it is, but it could be.
???

No one is saying people can't spend $5,000.

Look at what I was replying to more carefully:

Originally Posted by rydabent
Then we have the question of just who is a cyclist. The really hard core claim that unless you ride a $5000 bike, and have $500 kit you really are not a cyclist.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
???

No one is saying people can't spend $5,000.

Look at what I was replying to more carefully:
The general tones of the threads in the road section, this thread and particularly the keeping my rim brake thread is that you do need/have to have the things I mentioned to be taken seriously. Will 5k even get you those things in one purchase?
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Originally Posted by seypat
The general tones of the threads in the road section, this thread and particularly the keeping my rim brake thread is that you do need/have to have the things I mentioned to be taken seriously. Will 5k even get you those things in one purchase?
To be taken seriously? First, if someone says you have to buy something at a certain price point to be taken seriously why would you take that person seriously?
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I just had this conversation with a friend. I find it sad that so many people only want to hear music that they are already familiar with, and shut off their willingness to keep exploring new artists, but this is pretty common.
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