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When watching power uphill, what level do you try to stay under?
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Heh. Flatlanders - and I include myself in this, obv - shouldn't try to set the pace up hills with locals. I think that we have a tendency to judge effort by the proxy of speed, rather than actual effort, so pacing is uphill is often borked by going well above threshold and then dipping under threshold, sometimes severely, if the hill is long enough. If I'm going to set the pace uphill, it's gotta be a hill that I know and I'm going to watch my power pretty closely. And surging to smooth the pace? Yeah, that doesn't often work too well
Ive gotten so much stronger since the last time you were here. I would maintain about 24 going down the hill, and then going back up the hill I would maintain that speed all the way up. I got tired of having to slam my brakes as soon as the elevation started to change in an upwards direction. The group would instantly slow down. When I did maintain my speed, pulling up the hill I just dropped them.
But even in the flat areas the speed kept changing. Varied from 15-23. Just different from what I am used to. At one point I was told to pull and the stronger of the riders told me to punch it. I dialed it up and was pulling for a couple of miles at 26 mph. They did pretty good, only started to lose them in the last half mile or so.
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Depends. Solo or with a group? Is this a hill where we'll regroup at the top or are we rolling along?
If it's a regroup situation, I have a good idea of my 1min, 3min and 5min power, so those will be the loose upper bounds, depending upon the duration of the hill, if I'm solo or if I'm with people that may want to suffer along. If it's a longer hill (most in my area aren't) or if the pace is more relaxed and/or we want to stay together, I'll sit anywhere between 80 and 100% of FTP, depending upon the disposition and/or capacity of the others.
If it's a regroup situation, I have a good idea of my 1min, 3min and 5min power, so those will be the loose upper bounds, depending upon the duration of the hill, if I'm solo or if I'm with people that may want to suffer along. If it's a longer hill (most in my area aren't) or if the pace is more relaxed and/or we want to stay together, I'll sit anywhere between 80 and 100% of FTP, depending upon the disposition and/or capacity of the others.
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Ive gotten so much stronger since the last time you were here. I would maintain about 24 going down the hill, and then going back up the hill I would maintain that speed all the way up. I got tired of having to slam my brakes as soon as the elevation started to change in an upwards direction. The group would instantly slow down. When I did maintain my speed, pulling up the hill I just dropped them.
But even in the flat areas the speed kept changing. Varied from 15-23. Just different from what I am used to. At one point I was told to pull and the stronger of the riders told me to punch it. I dialed it up and was pulling for a couple of miles at 26 mph. They did pretty good, only started to lose them in the last half mile or so.
But even in the flat areas the speed kept changing. Varied from 15-23. Just different from what I am used to. At one point I was told to pull and the stronger of the riders told me to punch it. I dialed it up and was pulling for a couple of miles at 26 mph. They did pretty good, only started to lose them in the last half mile or so.
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So, I should slow to 8 mph going up a slight incline? That doesn’t seem right either. I wasn’t increasing the speed going up the hill, just maintaining.
I don’t have these issues in VA.
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Then don't ride with that group. If you want to ride with the group, ride with the group.
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Depends. Solo or with a group? Is this a hill where we'll regroup at the top or are we rolling along?
If it's a regroup situation, I have a good idea of my 1min, 3min and 5min power, so those will be the loose upper bounds, depending upon the duration of the hill, if I'm solo or if I'm with people that may want to suffer along. If it's a longer hill (most in my area aren't) or if the pace is more relaxed and/or we want to stay together, I'll sit anywhere between 80 and 100% of FTP, depending upon the disposition and/or capacity of the others.
If it's a regroup situation, I have a good idea of my 1min, 3min and 5min power, so those will be the loose upper bounds, depending upon the duration of the hill, if I'm solo or if I'm with people that may want to suffer along. If it's a longer hill (most in my area aren't) or if the pace is more relaxed and/or we want to stay together, I'll sit anywhere between 80 and 100% of FTP, depending upon the disposition and/or capacity of the others.
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Heh. Flatlanders - and I include myself in this, obv - shouldn't try to set the pace up hills with locals. I think that we have a tendency to judge effort by the proxy of speed, rather than actual effort, so pacing is uphill is often borked by going well above threshold and then dipping under threshold, sometimes severely, if the hill is long enough. If I'm going to set the pace uphill, it's gotta be a hill that I know and I'm going to watch my power pretty closely. And surging to smooth the pace? Yeah, that doesn't often work too well
Maybe it was a one off, but this is why I like solo most of the time
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I was totally redlined today on a short climb right in the middle of the hill and started losing power quickly. I PR’d, but wonder how it would have gone if I kept it near my average power for the climb for the first 45 seconds and then hammered the end. Maybe next time.
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I don't use any electronics, not even a speedometer since 2001. I've never been a fast climber but I have done a lot of climbing, at least 300,000 feet per year and sometimes more. I can ride by perceived effort well enough to get over whatever I'm climbing. Years ago I tried to figure out how to recover on a climb after I had blown myself up.
I'm never going to beat any good climbers up a hill but I learned how to stay within myself. It's harder now than it was years ago, for sure.
I'm never going to beat any good climbers up a hill but I learned how to stay within myself. It's harder now than it was years ago, for sure.
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I ran into this problem with the C&V rides. Since the group is based on riding old bikes, rather than fitness or speed level, the abilities of the group are diverse. So usually we get huge splits at every incline - in both directions, it turns out, because not everyone likes to go ripping down the straight descents like I do. I'll get to the bottom and everyone's at least 50 yards behind.
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