Vintage or modern for serious touring?
#51
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,648
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,703 Times
in
937 Posts
wow, didn't know you can get 10 speed to work with DT shifting...next trick is to get the thing to do Index Shifting, but probably not?
eventually my brifters are gonna head south on my more 'modern bikes', so am interested either in bar ends or DT. perhaps some light at the end of this mechanical tunnel. hmmm.
eventually my brifters are gonna head south on my more 'modern bikes', so am interested either in bar ends or DT. perhaps some light at the end of this mechanical tunnel. hmmm.
They make 11 speed 7900 DT shifters as well...
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#52
Sunshine
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,614
Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo
Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10965 Post(s)
Liked 7,491 Times
in
4,189 Posts
i use old and new, but knowing the complexity of brifters internally doesn't give overwhelming confidence. in the end, it is to go in with the 'army you have'. when i buy a used bike, generally it stays with whatever the manufacturer happened to throw on the bike. currently my preference is for DT over brifters for reliability, but i doubt any newer used bikes or riders would have them or know what they were.
my wish for bike manufacturers would be to get away from electronics and complexity and back to simple bicycles for Every Man. bicycling for me is not about mechanics even though i can overhaul most of my bikes...it really is about bicycling. LOL.
my wish for bike manufacturers would be to get away from electronics and complexity and back to simple bicycles for Every Man. bicycling for me is not about mechanics even though i can overhaul most of my bikes...it really is about bicycling. LOL.
As for wishing that brands would get away from electronics and complexity, at this point you have to actively look away from all the brands and bike options that are fully mechanical and are not complex.
There are tons of brands with bikes that I could buy off the shelf and work on without any more knowledge than whats needed to service a late 80s road bike. I guess there are front derailleurs that need a youtube video to know how to set up. So 4 min of watching someone else do it and you can do it too. Tons of bikes still just bolt together like they always have.
We now have bikes that you long for AND bikes that others long for. Its the best of both worlds for those who can see the landscape and dont only focus on whats different from what they like.
#53
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,606
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 581 Post(s)
Liked 921 Times
in
518 Posts
I don't think it makes a huge difference as far as frames go. But the moving parts on modern bikes have loads of advantages. Indexed shifting, disc (or V) brakes, freehubs... all are better on paper, but on the road make no difference... until they do. Kind of like the idea that an old steel frame is superior to a new aluminum one because the steel can be repaired more easily, but ignoring the fact that an old steel frame is much more likely to need repair. The exact same argument can be made about cable-actuated vs hydraulic discs. I wouldn't want to have to bleed a disc brake at a camp site, but the likelihood of that being required is very very slim. I have had to replace many cables in less than ideal conditions, though.
If one already has an older bike and wants to set it up for touring, there is no reason that this can't be done successfully, but if one is buying a new bike, doing so with the intent of upgrading after purchase makes less sense than just buying a modern bike. The more demanding the tour being planned, the bigger the advantages of a modern bike.
If one already has an older bike and wants to set it up for touring, there is no reason that this can't be done successfully, but if one is buying a new bike, doing so with the intent of upgrading after purchase makes less sense than just buying a modern bike. The more demanding the tour being planned, the bigger the advantages of a modern bike.
#54
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 2,799
Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,025 Times
in
723 Posts
My goal is across the country self supported. Mostly camping but a hotel every now and then is nice. I’d like to stick with roads. In 1998 I bought a new Trek 520 and rode from Indiana to Florida, horrible planning made it very unpleasant. This time around I’m taking my time and make sure I’m 100% squared away.
From my own touring I really like my modern bike, I've owned vintage bikes (weren't at the time) and would love to have a nice vintage DeRosa or Colnago for cruising the bike path or boardwalk but can't otherwise figure out the desire people have to jump on these antiques to have in place of a newer bike for modern heavy use.
If money were an issue I'd settle for a early 2000s trek 520 or equivalent and wouldn't see a problem with it but if I had the spending for new I'd totally go with cable disc brakes, modern heavy duty wheels and brifters All are at this point are time proven and reliable with advantages over older equipment; going down a big hill in the rain with a loaded bike I'd much rather have disc brakes, same with muddy seasonal highways which will have much more immediate stopping.
For my own touring bikes I went with XT hubs and 29er mtb rims. My wife wanted prettier and I've got Purple velocity Ailerons on the way, purple White Industry hubs and will build 3x 32h with single butted spokes which will be wheels that should be long term reliable. Wanted Kings but they stopped making violet and classic hubs though I'm still looking for a set as I'd prefer them and won't be building till Dec. Strong hubs, rims, and spokes to me make all the difference if you want a really reliable touring bike.
Last edited by Russ Roth; 10-13-20 at 10:18 AM.
#55
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: North Bend, Washington State
Posts: 2,942
Bikes: 1937 Hobbs; 1977 Bruce Gordon; 1987 Bill Holland; 1988 Schwinn Paramount (Fixed gear); 1999 Fat City Yo Eddy (MTB); 2018 Woodrup (Touring) 2016 Ritchey breakaway
Mentioned: 291 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 554 Post(s)
Liked 3,794 Times
in
668 Posts
My goal is across the country self supported. Mostly camping but a hotel every now and then is nice. I’d like to stick with roads. In 1998 I bought a new Trek 520 and rode from Indiana to Florida, horrible planning made it very unpleasant. This time around I’m taking my time and make sure I’m 100% squared away.
Unless there is some glaring aspect you are missing from your current bike take the focus off of that and work on keeping inspired, developing your route plan, and hopefully finding a compatible ride partner or two.
You probably already have spent some time on the Adventure cycling website. Their maps are excellent.
Crazyguyonabike is a great place to get inspired and learn from others experiences.
Like nlerner said, your idea of how to ride it sounds similar to how I did it last year. Here is a link to my TRANSAM Field Notes in case you hadn't read it before.
Think about getting a GPS device (Garmin or similar..) that you can upload maps into. I wish I had done that when I was going through the Appalatians. Navigation became much easier as I travelled west from there.
Use your shorter overnight trips/tours to refine your set up and try to pare down what you need to bring with you. I am still working on that myself.
Good luck, I look forward to reading about your future adventures.
Matt
#56
Senior Member
Thread Starter
[QUOTE=northbend;21741420]That's great Sloar, Your LHT should serve you well. It sounds like you're off to a good start.
Unless there is some glaring aspect you are missing from your current bike take the focus off of that and work on keeping inspired, developing your route plan, and hopefully finding a compatible ride partner or two.
Thanks, I've got almost all the proper gear covered, I need to update my old panniers. When I took my first trip I did all the planning using road maps. I ended up making some horrible choices and it was a very unpleasant trip. Right now that's my main concern, I'm very happy with the Surly and it fits like a glove. I get bored easy and want to change thing up to often, I prefer vintage bikes and figured a vintage touring bike would suit me better. I need to just think of the Surly as a tool and use it for what it was intended for.
Unless there is some glaring aspect you are missing from your current bike take the focus off of that and work on keeping inspired, developing your route plan, and hopefully finding a compatible ride partner or two.
Thanks, I've got almost all the proper gear covered, I need to update my old panniers. When I took my first trip I did all the planning using road maps. I ended up making some horrible choices and it was a very unpleasant trip. Right now that's my main concern, I'm very happy with the Surly and it fits like a glove. I get bored easy and want to change thing up to often, I prefer vintage bikes and figured a vintage touring bike would suit me better. I need to just think of the Surly as a tool and use it for what it was intended for.
__________________
Semper fi
Semper fi
#57
Senior Member
That LHT looks like it's almost ready to go. As a theoretical we can discuss vintage vs modern all day long, but as a practical matter I'll be another vote for hopping on the LHT and heading down the road...
On the theoretical matter of vintage vs modern: IMO this notion that vintage components are unreliable just isn't true. Some were, sure, but it could be argued that many vintage parts were more reliable than modern. No cell phones to rely on BITD. A typical quality touring bike build would have been equipped something like this: Sugino Mighty Tour crankset, Phil Wood BB and hubs, Super champion rims (36H front, 40H rear), Suntour derailleurs (VGT. BL or Cyclone), power shifters, Suntour Freewheel, Sedis chain, Mafac canti or Weinmann CP brakes, handlebar and stem by Nitto/SR/Cinelli/etc. What would anyone expect to go wrong vs a modern bike? There's much talk of modern alloys, but no specifics. I'm not aware of any major advances in aluminum alloys recently. I'd venture that most high end parts are still made from 6061 as most have been for decades.
Tires have gotten way better, for sure. Modern tubular steel racks also a good idea. (though custom builders have been making these forever)
On the theoretical matter of vintage vs modern: IMO this notion that vintage components are unreliable just isn't true. Some were, sure, but it could be argued that many vintage parts were more reliable than modern. No cell phones to rely on BITD. A typical quality touring bike build would have been equipped something like this: Sugino Mighty Tour crankset, Phil Wood BB and hubs, Super champion rims (36H front, 40H rear), Suntour derailleurs (VGT. BL or Cyclone), power shifters, Suntour Freewheel, Sedis chain, Mafac canti or Weinmann CP brakes, handlebar and stem by Nitto/SR/Cinelli/etc. What would anyone expect to go wrong vs a modern bike? There's much talk of modern alloys, but no specifics. I'm not aware of any major advances in aluminum alloys recently. I'd venture that most high end parts are still made from 6061 as most have been for decades.
Tires have gotten way better, for sure. Modern tubular steel racks also a good idea. (though custom builders have been making these forever)
#58
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: The Urban Shores Of Michigami
Posts: 1,749
Bikes: ........................................ .....Holdsworth "Special"..... .......Falcon "Special".......... .........Miyata 912........... ........................................
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 702 Post(s)
Liked 672 Times
in
420 Posts
...
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1728x1152/img_4994_b6793e96b89e435e41a0464a591c04e205dd07f1.jpg)
#59
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,648
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,703 Times
in
937 Posts
From my own touring I really like my modern bike, I've owned vintage bikes (weren't at the time) and would love to have a nice vintage DeRosa or Colnago for cruising the bike path or boardwalk but can't otherwise figure out the desire people have to jump on these antiques to have in place of a newer bike for modern heavy use.
Pretty much everyone here 'jumps on their antiques for modern heavy use.'
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Likes For sloar:
#61
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 3,449
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 874 Post(s)
Liked 2,291 Times
in
1,280 Posts
I really haven't done any "touring"other than day trips. My goal is to ride the Oregon Coast in the next couple of years.Now that my social security starts in two weeks (FRA) I will have more flexibility in my schedule to allow for such a trip. I will probably take the Super Mondia with a slight modification to the gears and add some fenders and bags. The Mondia allows for nice wide tires and is a very comfy bike but still fairly light. I would start on the Washington end and do the coastal route to Brookings. My wife can sag for me and do meet ups at stopping time. I met a couple that did it and only got rained on once, lucky them! They raved about the trip and I saw some pictures, it truly looks spectacular. Joe
Likes For Kabuki12:
#62
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,648
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,703 Times
in
937 Posts
...
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1728x1152/img_4994_b6793e96b89e435e41a0464a591c04e205dd07f1.jpg)
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1728x1152/img_4994_b6793e96b89e435e41a0464a591c04e205dd07f1.jpg)
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#63
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: The Urban Shores Of Michigami
Posts: 1,749
Bikes: ........................................ .....Holdsworth "Special"..... .......Falcon "Special".......... .........Miyata 912........... ........................................
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 702 Post(s)
Liked 672 Times
in
420 Posts
I remember being assigned to a "working party" more than once, picked up lots of cigarette butts, painted conex boxes but no, never painted any rocks...
#64
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 2,537
Bikes: 1981 Ron Cooper, 1974 Cinelli Speciale Corsa, 2000 Gary Fisher Sugar 1, 1986 Miyata 710, 1982 Raleigh "International"
Mentioned: 97 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 930 Post(s)
Liked 1,293 Times
in
489 Posts
...
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1728x1152/img_4994_b6793e96b89e435e41a0464a591c04e205dd07f1.jpg)
@sloar, I just noticed your blue Surly. This may not be a "touring" bike, but I thought you would appreciate it...
...
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1728x1152/img_4994_b6793e96b89e435e41a0464a591c04e205dd07f1.jpg)
Likes For davester:
#65
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,648
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,703 Times
in
937 Posts
![EEK!](https://www.bikeforums.net/images/smilies/eek.gif)
No duds painting rocks?
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#66
Senior Member
Thread Starter
#67
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 2,799
Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,025 Times
in
723 Posts
I saw where the question was posted, still doesn't make sense to me why people would jump on an antique to ride across the country with parts that while they have been long term reliable still have a finite life span that they may be approaching the edge of. I lived along the seaway trail and I can remember this one kid coming through a few years ago on his early 80s raleigh tourer; saw him on the road as I was driving home and he was walking with his friends due to 3 busted spokes. Offered to help as I have a small collection of spokes but quickly realized I couldn't as I had nothing to fit a 27" wheel. Also had to explain that the nearest bike shop was 15mi back the way he came over nothing but hills and that if he kept going forward the nearest shop was 45mi away and 2 counties over and this was in Upstate NY. Did offer them a ride but they decided they were close to their camp ground and they were going to crash for the night. Don't know what he ended up doing but it was a lousy spot to be stuck with wheels that couldn't turn in a bike. And its not like bike shops keep a nice selection of 27" wheels lying around either. For a tour, newer is better imo but that's cause I want to preempt things. I've busted 3 square taper BBs, snapped and bent freewheel hubs and in both cases don't consider myself a powerful person but can't say I've had the same trouble from thru axle or cassettes; I know which I prefer to tour with.
#68
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 2,046
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
Liked 1,082 Times
in
522 Posts
Well, I don’t know that anybody here is condoning touring on parts that are near the edge of their life. That has nothing to do with the original question posed and if asked most here would say “replace what looks worn out with something in safe shape (whether new or vintage).”
#69
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: The Urban Shores Of Michigami
Posts: 1,749
Bikes: ........................................ .....Holdsworth "Special"..... .......Falcon "Special".......... .........Miyata 912........... ........................................
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 702 Post(s)
Liked 672 Times
in
420 Posts
I saw where the question was posted, still doesn't make sense to me why people would jump on an antique to ride across the country with parts that while they have been long term reliable still have a finite life span that they may be approaching the edge of. I lived along the seaway trail and I can remember this one kid coming through a few years ago on his early 80s raleigh tourer; saw him on the road as I was driving home and he was walking with his friends due to 3 busted spokes. Offered to help as I have a small collection of spokes but quickly realized I couldn't as I had nothing to fit a 27" wheel. Also had to explain that the nearest bike shop was 15mi back the way he came over nothing but hills and that if he kept going forward the nearest shop was 45mi away and 2 counties over and this was in Upstate NY. Did offer them a ride but they decided they were close to their camp ground and they were going to crash for the night. Don't know what he ended up doing but it was a lousy spot to be stuck with wheels that couldn't turn in a bike. And its not like bike shops keep a nice selection of 27" wheels lying around either. For a tour, newer is better imo but that's cause I want to preempt things. I've busted 3 square taper BBs, snapped and bent freewheel hubs and in both cases don't consider myself a powerful person but can't say I've had the same trouble from thru axle or cassettes; I know which I prefer to tour with.
#71
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 1,053
Bikes: Gunnar, Shogun, Concorde, F Moser, Pete Tansley, Rocky Mtn, Diamant, Krapf, Marin, Avanti, Winora, Emmelle, Ken Evans
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Liked 417 Times
in
218 Posts
You can have a sporty touring bike that is fun to ride unloaded with an old frame or a new frame. My gunnar crosshairs is great as a road bike. Many modern 'gravel bikes' 'cx bikes' make great sport touring rides.
Also new v old, I reckon the best modern advance for touring is a dynamo hub & led light. Not Discs or STI. Rather not have em.
![](https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1333/w110gco_336344998cd0fbd1a529e37a5d28f9b931cebae1.jpg)
![](https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/bsukuh1_3bb5863ac6942eda5f284c4e41f6d35c655f2d33.jpg)
Also new v old, I reckon the best modern advance for touring is a dynamo hub & led light. Not Discs or STI. Rather not have em.
![](https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1333/w110gco_336344998cd0fbd1a529e37a5d28f9b931cebae1.jpg)
![](https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/bsukuh1_3bb5863ac6942eda5f284c4e41f6d35c655f2d33.jpg)
![](https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1316/qwmlki3_9b0cbd40b663eadb5ca21ba858617d37db6237ed.jpg)
Likes For Soody:
#73
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 2,799
Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,025 Times
in
723 Posts
That I can understand, its the reason my first tour was done with a backpack and a seatpost rack, next trip was a cheap rack and cheap panniers. But the OP sounds like he's had/has newer and money doesn't sound to be an issue so why not newer?
#74
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 1,053
Bikes: Gunnar, Shogun, Concorde, F Moser, Pete Tansley, Rocky Mtn, Diamant, Krapf, Marin, Avanti, Winora, Emmelle, Ken Evans
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Liked 417 Times
in
218 Posts
touring on 27" wheels though, sure, probably a bad idea.
#75
Full Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Grass Valley, Ca
Posts: 387
Bikes: Surly Cross Check, Specialized Enduro Pro, Lemond Tourmalet
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 105 Post(s)
Liked 192 Times
in
94 Posts
My previous touring bike was a ‘73 Paramount. Loved it, but I have to say my current Surly Cross Check is every bit as good, maybe better.And cost about a third of what another Parameter would cost me. No rust problems, except modern equipment. I’m good!
![](https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1504/9084e273_bd38_4c2c_aac9_1eefbb7719d4_ee87620e92ce636e901d21c81acf54286b7be2ef.jpeg)
Likes For gorillimo: