Delivery People Using Electric Bikes.
02-03-12, 09:45 PM
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I live NYC and see delivery people using electric bikes all the the time. They seem to do many things wrong:
1) At night they don't use the lights even though the bike comes with them
2) Ride on side walks and go the wrong way on one way streets
3) Never ever pedal
4) Smoke will riding
I think that electric bikes fill a need and they are much better 2 cycle scooters I think that delivery people should follow the rules and if they use it as a motorized cycle (never pedal) they should be forced on the street and out of the bike lanes.
1) At night they don't use the lights even though the bike comes with them
2) Ride on side walks and go the wrong way on one way streets
3) Never ever pedal
4) Smoke will riding
I think that electric bikes fill a need and they are much better 2 cycle scooters I think that delivery people should follow the rules and if they use it as a motorized cycle (never pedal) they should be forced on the street and out of the bike lanes.
02-06-12, 06:12 PM
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Just curious. The logistics of this escapes me. My electric assist has a 1.5hr run time and a 10hr charge time which would make it a real loser for commercial applications. And thats one of the better models with a brushless motor and 10Ah 36V LiFeO4 battery. What kind of bikes are we talking about exactly.
02-06-12, 08:01 PM
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Just curious. The logistics of this escapes me. My electric assist has a 1.5hr run time and a 10hr charge time which would make it a real loser for commercial applications. And thats one of the better models with a brushless motor and 10Ah 36V LiFeO4 battery. What kind of bikes are we talking about exactly.
I think they are talking about the electric bikes that look more like scooters than bicycles but not for sure.
02-06-12, 08:48 PM
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02-07-12, 11:48 AM
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If its electric scooters we're talking about then thats different than electric assisted bicycles. Interestingly enough- several municipalities here in Montreal have passed bylaws banning them from use on bicycle paths.
02-07-12, 06:47 PM
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The problem is when they take an electric scooter and add pedals and THEN call it an "electric bicycle"...
If you ask me, if it has a "deck" to put your feet on and pedaling it would only get you 5mph, then NO, it's NOT am electric bike...
If you ask me, if it has a "deck" to put your feet on and pedaling it would only get you 5mph, then NO, it's NOT am electric bike...
02-08-12, 11:41 AM
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Its a legal technicality. A vehicle that can be optionally pedaled can be classified as an electric assisted bicycle. A vehicle that can't be optionally pedaled is in fact a motor vehicle and has restrictions depending on its intended use: off-road recreation, handicap assistance or on-road use. Some need to be licensed and insured, some don't. Some need a permit to operate, some don't. Some are permitted on bicycle paths, some aren't. Some are permitted on sidewalks, some aren't.
02-08-12, 07:56 PM
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The charger I'm using came with the battery, both were new in 2011 and the charge time is normal. Directly related to cell balancing through the built-in battery management unit.
If its electric scooters we're talking about then thats different than electric assisted bicycles. Interestingly enough- several municipalities here in Montreal have passed bylaws banning them from use on bicycle paths.
If its electric scooters we're talking about then thats different than electric assisted bicycles. Interestingly enough- several municipalities here in Montreal have passed bylaws banning them from use on bicycle paths.
The whole electric scooter as a bicycle thing is a joke. There is an old saying that "You can put a bow on a turd but it is still a turd" which applies to having pedals on a scooter class vehicle. But most people that are looking at motor assist don't want to pedal so it doesn't matter to them.
02-11-12, 07:23 AM
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Unless otherwise marked, streets in NYC have a 30 MPH limit. I don't imagine that the electric scooter/bikes that we're talking about will reach that speed, but their danger is less about the speed and more about the idiotic practices of the riders (hence the point about regulation/licensing of the riders).
03-15-12, 11:51 AM
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Its a legal technicality. A vehicle that can be optionally pedaled can be classified as an electric assisted bicycle. A vehicle that can't be optionally pedaled is in fact a motor vehicle and has restrictions depending on its intended use: off-road recreation, handicap assistance or on-road use. Some need to be licensed and insured, some don't. Some need a permit to operate, some don't. Some are permitted on bicycle paths, some aren't. Some are permitted on sidewalks, some aren't.
03-15-12, 12:20 PM
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I presume that many of the delivery services have spare batteries for their bikes that they can swap out between deliveries.
03-15-12, 12:58 PM
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A discharged 12 A-hr battery would take a minimum of 12 A-hr/5 A = 2.4 hrs. to fully charge with a 5 A charger (these are rated in Amps, not Amp-hrs) and that's assuming 100% efficiency. In practice it takes about 30% more time or a little over 3 hours since some of the energy is wasted as heat.
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1) your charger is putting out more than 5 Amps
2) your battery wasn't fully discharged
3) your battery doesn't really have a 12 Amp-hr capacity
4) your system violates basic rules of physics.
Take your pick.
03-15-12, 04:15 PM
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You guys are right, they should be driving full size pick-ups', like real Americans. [/sarcasm]
03-16-12, 09:17 AM
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I believe, unless the law has been changed recently that electric bicycles are illegal in NY state. However, I think an electric powered moped is legal.
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I live NYC and see delivery people using electric bikes all the the time. They seem to do many things wrong:
1) At night they don't use the lights even though the bike comes with them
2) Ride on side walks and go the wrong way on one way streets
3) Never ever pedal
4) Smoke will riding
I think that electric bikes fill a need and they are much better 2 cycle scooters I think that delivery people should follow the rules and if they use it as a motorized cycle (never pedal) they should be forced on the street and out of the bike lanes.
1) At night they don't use the lights even though the bike comes with them
2) Ride on side walks and go the wrong way on one way streets
3) Never ever pedal
4) Smoke will riding
I think that electric bikes fill a need and they are much better 2 cycle scooters I think that delivery people should follow the rules and if they use it as a motorized cycle (never pedal) they should be forced on the street and out of the bike lanes.
03-26-12, 11:02 AM
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