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Old 07-23-09, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LesDiablesRouge
Why anyone thinks any rider is clean is beyond me. Testing is great but there will always be technology that is ahead of the doping controls.
Such as which drugs or techniques?

In the past and even recently controls lagged behind doping in cycling but the gap is closing. Innocent until proven guilty in my self righteous opinion. Besides don't stage winners and the yellow get tested everyday?and he did win the tour before remember? Could be improved form and maturity along with training this year from lance befoe the season who is a great climber himself.

I'm a realist about our sport. Doping does exist, but so do great moments of athleticism without it.
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Srsly dude, please shut up with that trash.

Lets love our sport.
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Originally Posted by asv
Contrador's new found ability to TT this year is a little suspicious, but he is clean in my book until tests show otherwise.
I doubt any of them are clean, but remember, Contador is just coming into the prime age range for endurance athletes, who tend to mature around (or after) age 25.

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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
Srsly dude, please shut up with that trash.

Lets love our sport.
+1000

this kind of talk just ruins the tour for me really. I just want to watch people ride bikes. It they dope and get busted then I'll care. For now, I just want to see the race
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It's impressive how much he can stand up. Very inspiring.
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Originally Posted by Rancid
Such as which drugs or techniques?

In the past and even recently controls lagged behind doping in cycling but the gap is closing. Innocent until proven guilty in my self righteous opinion. Besides don't stage winners and the yellow get tested everyday?and he did win the tour before remember? Could be improved form and maturity along with training this year from lance befoe the season who is a great climber himself.

I'm a realist about our sport. Doping does exist, but so do great moments of athleticism without it.
I don't believe their is a test approved yet that detects autologous blood doping. WADA is working on it & has for a long while. We probably won't know until they announce the first positive just as they did with CERA.
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Yeah and Wiggins is a natural climber too
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Originally Posted by daveF
Innocent until proven guilty yes. But so are the other more than 100 Spanish riders who frequented Dr. Fuentes office. Remember which team he came from?
Team Discovery?
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I think it's people's own poor fitness that galvanizes them to make these accusations so feverishly.
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Originally Posted by joe@vwvortex
Yeah and Wiggins is a natural climber too
no wiggins is a good pursuit rider which grants hi
great endurance for chasing and attacking, applicable intelligence in attacking, and a relatively good climbing build. He's British, and most of them are track, sprint, and pursuit stars before they ever touch mountains.

Being one of the fastest riders in the world in his discipline doesn't mean he'll suck at everything else, especially when it's pursuit.
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Originally Posted by voltman
Team Discovery?
Nope, hired to Team Discovery in 07. He was on Liberty Seguros prior to 07. Liberty Seguros folded as a result of Operation Puerto in 06. Their team director Monolo Saiz was linked to Puerto. Vino had gotten a contract with Liberty that year. The team could not contest the TDF because too many of their riders were linked to Puerto including guess who? Alberto Contador of course. The team's license was taken away from Saiz & given to the Kazahkstan Cycling Federation & Astana was born.
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Originally Posted by Rancid
no wiggins is a good pursuit rider which grants hi
great endurance for chasing and attacking, applicable intelligence in attacking, and a relatively good climbing build. He's British, and most of them are track, sprint, and pursuit stars before they ever touch mountains.

Being one of the fastest riders in the world in his discipline doesn't mean he'll suck at everything else, especially when it's pursuit.
And, especially since he has lost 11 to 15 kg.
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Originally Posted by Microtom
Imo, it just seems a bit too easy for Contador to be credible. Of course, it's just an opinion not based on any facts, but I find it very hard to believe that he can climb that fast so effortlessly in comparison to others.
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I wanted to believe Floyd's comeback a day after getting dropped badly was real, too, as it was the most dramatic comeback I had ever seen (even better than Lemond's TT to nail Fignon). I am finding it too difficult to believe a string bean like Contador can smoke Cancellara (Olympic and multiple World Champion TT'er on top of his game) and drop Andy Schleck twice like he was tied to a pole without some PED. Maybe it is too good to be true....I hope not.
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With the blood passport program, it's getting harder and harder to modify the blood enough to matter without getting caught. I'm hoping that he's clean. Might be a false hope, we'll know in another month or so.
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Originally Posted by asv
Contrador's new found ability to TT this year is a little suspicious, but he is clean in my book until tests show otherwise.
contador has always been a very good time trialist. do you mean "new found" to you?

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Originally Posted by daveF
Nope, hired to Team Discovery in 07. He was on Liberty Seguros prior to 07. Liberty Seguros folded as a result of Operation Puerto in 06. Their team director Monolo Saiz was linked to Puerto. Vino had gotten a contract with Liberty that year. The team could not contest the TDF because too many of their riders were linked to Puerto including guess who? Alberto Contador of course. The team's license was taken away from Saiz & given to the Kazahkstan Cycling Federation & Astana was born.
Contador was linked to OP because the initials AC appeared in the doping ledgers. Well, guess which Spanish rider tested positive a while back? Antonio Colom.
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I remember him losing significant time to Cadel Evans in the final TT just two years ago. So yes, newfound.
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Wiggins cracked, though. It's the effortless, superhuman stuff that appears suspicious.

Up until a couple of days ago, I thought Contador was clean. Now, I'm starting to wonder. It;s all all a bit too superhuman.

Nothing proven, obviously - all just speculation. But I always remember the general rule that when someone is pushing it to the limit but not breaking a sweat, then it's time to wonder. Did you see Contador at the end of the TT? He may have been grimacing, but he seemed pretty composed over the line, not even a breath.
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I don't think so, but if you check how much Land and Contador weigh, Contador is 31lbs lighter than Lance. I think that is the difference.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
I think it's people's own poor fitness that galvanizes them to make these accusations so feverishly.

year after year. top rider after top rider. positive test after positive test. you may be able to proceed as a fan without questions of doubt. however, it is perfectly within reason for a fan to have doubt.

i say this knowing my fitness is no where near poor. later.
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I'll never understand why people who focus so heavily on doping even bother watching. If you hate the sport and the riders so much, don't watch. It's pretty simple.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
I think it's people's own poor fitness that galvanizes them to make these accusations so feverishly.
That is the funniest quote of the day!
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Originally Posted by Gotte
Wiggins cracked, though. It's the effortless, superhuman stuff that appears suspicious.

Up until a couple of days ago, I thought Contador was clean. Now, I'm starting to wonder. It;s all all a bit too superhuman.

Nothing proven, obviously - all just speculation. But I always remember the general rule that when someone is pushing it to the limit but not breaking a sweat, then it's time to wonder. Did you see Contador at the end of the TT? He may have been grimacing, but he seemed pretty composed over the line, not even a breath.
I don't know if doping makes it any easier, I just think it makes you go faster.
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Originally Posted by subframe
I'll never understand why people who focus so heavily on doping even bother watching. If you hate the sport and the riders so much, don't watch. It's pretty simple.
Some of us love the sport. And we love watching riders strive to find new limits, both personally and humanly. Doping is unfortunately a very big concern within the sport. I've recently become ever more aware of this as I have some new friends, who's son is turning out to be a Nationals level racer and looking to consider a future within professional cycling. It's not hate that fuels most of those concerned with drug usage and doping within sport, it's love. Apparently that's a little too complicated for some to understand.
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