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Old 04-09-23, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Really? You think there's a business reason for listing the following?

1. Square taper Campy Chorus bottom bracket with Italian threads.

2. 14 tooth Campy cog for 11 speed cassette.

3. 2.4mm "Q" spacer for 10 speed Campy cassette.

4. Campy ultra-shift right thumb button.

The list goes on and on. There is no business reason for listing these items -- it's just Walmart IT workers run amok.
Of course there's a business reason - the customer sees no reason to shop elsewhere, and all Walmart need do is put up a page on their site, and act as middleman for drop shipped products. They don't need to stock them at all. For the vendor who does, they get a wider customer base and they don't have to have their own online ordering business.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Regardless of whether Blackburn is owned by Walmart, they are the de facto house brand now. Walmart has began to stock exclusively Blackburn items. Competing buying options are gone, so Walmart may not own the brand, but if Blackburn makes that item, you won't find a competitor at Wally World now.
The problem is, you're misusing the term "house brand", which REALLY means "a brand name used by a retailer for a product or product line made specifically for or by the retailer. such a product, usually offered at a lower price than a comparable name-brand product", per Dictionary.com. Generally house brands, like "Signature" at Safeway, are on the shelf next to the name brand products.

BTW, Safeway doesn't can its own peas (for example). Retailers buy the product from the name brand producers and either label it themselves or have it labeled with their house brand by the company they buy from.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I think a better description of what's happened in the past couple decades is that LBS can no longer mark up their parts and accessories because they are competing with online retail.
And yet many bike shops do mark up their prices and sell their stock at higher prices than what you can get online and their business is thriving...and people still go there and buy stuff from them. Majority of people still prefer in - store shopping instead of shopping online. A couple of regulars here on this list who prefer online shopping don't represent the shopping preferences of majority of consumers out there.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
You presume to know what motivated me to post this thread.
And what is my presumption?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
And what is my presumption?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The problem is, you're misusing the term "house brand", which REALLY means "a brand name used by a retailer for a product or product line made specifically for or by the retailer. such a product, usually offered at a lower price than a comparable name-brand product", per Dictionary.com. Generally house brands, like "Signature" at Safeway, are on the shelf next to the name brand products.

BTW, Safeway doesn't can its own peas (for example). Retailers buy the product from the name brand producers and either label it themselves or have it labeled with their house brand by the company they buy from.
I conceded above that I was mistaken about Walmart owning Blackburn. Now harping on the terminology is simply picking nits. But I have noticed that does seem to be a favorite pastime for some people here.
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And what is my presumption?
I wouldn't venture a guess. I am not as presumptuous as you.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The problem is, you're misusing the term "house brand", which REALLY means "a brand name used by a retailer for a product or product line made specifically for or by the retailer. such a product, usually offered at a lower price than a comparable name-brand product", per Dictionary.com.
And you don't find those house brand products at other stores -- unlike Blackburn products, which are carried at a gazillion shops and sites other than Walmart.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
And you don't find those house brand products at other stores -- unlike Blackburn products, which are carried at a gazillion shops and sites other than Walmart.
So, kinda the opposite of a house brand.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen

I wouldn't venture a guess. I am not as presumptuous as you.


Based on your previous post, why would you need to guess? BTW…Presuming means going with the probability. Thanks again. The jig is definitely up, if it wasn’t already.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz


Based on your previous post, why would you need to guess? BTW…Presuming means going with the probability. Thanks again. The jig is definitely up, if it wasn’t already.

Off to update my iggy list.
Not exactly. From dictionary.com:
to take for granted, assume, or suppose:
But you go ahead and update your "iggy" list.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
And yet many bike shops do mark up their prices and sell their stock at higher prices than what you can get online and their business is thriving...and people still go there and buy stuff from them. Majority of people still prefer in - store shopping instead of shopping online. A couple of regulars here on this list who prefer online shopping don't represent the shopping preferences of majority of consumers out there.

Around here, pretty much all of the stores still left have at least two locations (allows them to keep more stuff in stock)
​​​and emphasize service. You can definitely get people to pay a few bucks more if you can get them in the door.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I conceded above that I was mistaken about Walmart owning Blackburn. Now harping on the terminology is simply picking nits. But I have noticed that does seem to be a favorite pastime for some people here.

I wouldn't venture a guess. I am not as presumptuous as you.
Your original post was definitely a complaint about bike related goods generally, but now your complaint seems to be that Wal-Mart doesn't keep enough brands in stock in its store. (Geez, just go to the website).

The bigger picture is that you started this thread with a silly assertion about a "bicycle tax" and how we're getting "screwed". I don't think it's nitpicky to point out that literally everything you said about your supposed example of this was completely wrong.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Your original post was definitely a complaint about bike related goods generally, but now your complaint seems to be that Wal-Mart doesn't keep enough brands in stock in its store. (Geez, just go to the website).

The bigger picture is that you started this thread with a silly assertion about a "bicycle tax" and how we're getting "screwed". I don't think it's nitpicky to point out that literally everything you said about your supposed example of this was completely wrong.
No. I have simply been commenting about my exposure. Living in a more rural area, I do not have the retail options many of you have. It's not a complaint about Walmart not carrying enough brands. Besides, I don't think anybody goes around thinking "Walmart = quality". Walmart is a convenience retailer. I don't go there looking for the best of anything, only what I absolutely need.

"Literally everything"? Literally? OK.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
"Literally everything"? Literally? OK.
And your repeated assertion that Blackburn is a 'de facto' Walmart house brand is - from your own description - literally the opposite of what house brand means. Literally. As genejockey pointed out in post #183.

Again, it takes a strong and confident intellect to admit to mistakes and learn from them. It takes a different sort to double-down on errors in the face of such incontrovertible refutation.
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There is no tax on bicycles or bike parts.

People who say silly things and try to weasel out by posting irrelevant internet quotes need to learn when to admit they were wrong and drop the topic.

People who make ridiculous claims which are thoroughly disproved should learn to say “ Okay, I was wrong about that” and move on.

If people lack basic honesty …. Well, we see how the world is now, and lots of people complain…. If you lack basic honesty. You are the problem.

Forget Red and Blue states…… there are “True” and “Untrue” states in which we live. If you will lie to win an internet debate, you live in a state of untruth. Not a healthy state. Please consider moving.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
"Literally everything"? Literally? OK.
Yes," literally ". I know what that word means and I chose it deliberately.
You asserted that this was an unknown house brand that " no doubt" was owned by Wal-Mart. Literally, every bit of that was wrong, as is your assertion that Blackburn is the only brand they sell. You can order pretty much anything you want through the Wal-Mart website, and select in store delivery.

You know your "bicycle tax" stuff was complete bs, you don't want to admit it but know you can't defend it, and instead attack people for "nitpicking".

Looks like dedhed found exactly what you said wasn't being manufactured anymore, so apparently you got that one wrong, too. "Literally everything" complete.

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Originally Posted by elcruxio
Do people not understand that there's quality tiers to tires? I can get a schwalbe marathon for 14 € per tire but conti GP5000 S TRs are 55€ a pop, minimum. One is a hard wearing allround tire that'll not win any races but might take you around the world safely. The other is a top end racing tire that's essentially built for pure speed.

If I were to put highest grade of professional racing track tires on our toyota I'd be paying out the nose and they wouldn't last very long.

If you want fast bicycle tires they're going to be expensive. You can buy slower tires for cheaper. But of course it's more satisfying to complain on the internet that the luxury product you want costs too much.

It also makes reasonable sense that a high performance racing tire is going to cost a lot more than a heavy duty one. Essentially, a racing tire is pushing the envelope of ratio of load to material--attempting to handle high stress use with the least amount of material possible. This requires much higher levels of quality control than the heavy duty tire because there really is no tolerance for defects with the racing tires. The smallest imperfection in construction or material is likely to lead to quick failure of the product. An "overbuilt" tire like the Marathon has enough structural redundancy built into it that a small imperfection will likely be compensated by some other aspect of the tire. Thus the marginal cost of producing one more Marathon is going to be lower than that of the racing tire at any level of production.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
And you don't find those house brand products at other stores -- unlike Blackburn products, which are carried at a gazillion shops and sites other than Walmart.

Kirkland Signature is a weird exception to this. It's definitely a brand wholly owned by Costco and supposedly exclusive to their stores, but the products are being resold through Amazon and Walmart sites. It appears that vendors are using the Costco retail stores as wholesalers, then reselling the bulk-purchased goods in smaller lots. I have several Kirkland products in my home, and I don't think I've had a Costco membership in the last 25 years, nor set foot in any of their stores in the 21st century.
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Secretary of War : How about taking up the tax?

Rufus T. Firefly : How 'bout taking up the carpet?

Secretary of War : I still insist we must take up the tax!

Rufus T. Firefly : He's right, you've gotta take up the tacks before you can take up the carpet.

I literally just saw this movie for the first time this past Saturday so this reference made even more sense to me
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I literally just saw this movie for the first time this past Saturday so this reference made even more sense to me
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I have since noticed, as with other items at Walmart, they stopped carrying certain lesser name brand items and replaced those items with their own "house" brand. In this case, Blackburn. Gone are individual bike components from various manufacturers, all replaced with similar items under the Blackburn brand. No doubt made from the Walmart owned China factory.
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but Blackburn has replaced virtually every other competing product on the shelves. So Blackburn is effectively the "house brand" even if they don't have stake in the company.
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Regardless of whether Blackburn is owned by Walmart, they are the de facto house brand now. Walmart has began to stock exclusively Blackburn items. Competing buying options are gone, so Walmart may not own the brand, but if Blackburn makes that item, you won't find a competitor at Wally World now.
I stopped at the local Walmart today and had a quick look in the bike accessories aisle...And found plenty of brands other than Blackburn - sometimes for the same type of product. I suspect this is true at most Walmart stores, including the OP's. But as we know, she has a shaky relationship with the truth.

Yet another assertion on which the OP is -- literally -- completely incorrect.





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I stopped at the local Walmart today and had a quick look in the bike accessories aisle...And found plenty of brands other than Blackburn - sometimes for the same type of product. I suspect this is true at most Walmart stores, including the OP's. But as we know, she has a shaky relationship with the truth.

Yet another assertion on which the OP is -- literally -- completely incorrect.
I count 8 house brands ...
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