The death of rim brakes, disc brakes now unanimous in the pro peloton...
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I think an important factor in deciding which system to get is:
Which system is going to give you the better excuse for being slow? I think most riders have uttered the old, "it feels like I got a brake dragging" on days when they can't keep up. Which system is going to backup that statement? BITD you could also use the "I think I have a low tire" excuse. Now, since the trend is wide tires/low pressure, I can't use that one anymore. If I jump on the disc bandwagon, can I use the brake dragging excuse with a clear conscience?
Which system is going to give you the better excuse for being slow? I think most riders have uttered the old, "it feels like I got a brake dragging" on days when they can't keep up. Which system is going to backup that statement? BITD you could also use the "I think I have a low tire" excuse. Now, since the trend is wide tires/low pressure, I can't use that one anymore. If I jump on the disc bandwagon, can I use the brake dragging excuse with a clear conscience?
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I think an important factor in deciding which system to get is:
Which system is going to give you the better excuse for being slow? I think most riders have uttered the old, "it feels like I got a brake dragging" on days when they can't keep up. Which system is going to backup that statement? BITD you could also use the "I think I have a low tire" excuse. Now, since the trend is wide tires/low pressure, I can't use that one anymore. If I jump on the disc bandwagon, can I use the brake dragging excuse with a clear conscience?
Which system is going to give you the better excuse for being slow? I think most riders have uttered the old, "it feels like I got a brake dragging" on days when they can't keep up. Which system is going to backup that statement? BITD you could also use the "I think I have a low tire" excuse. Now, since the trend is wide tires/low pressure, I can't use that one anymore. If I jump on the disc bandwagon, can I use the brake dragging excuse with a clear conscience?
I totally get what’s going on, but I am a little bummed about Dura Ace not having rim brakes on new. I wasn’t planning on a new group but eventually I will. I’m 99.9% sure that I’ll be keeping my SV until I’m carried out of my house feet first and it would have been nice to keep up with future group sets. When I had my SV built they were doing beautiful disk frames but since I live in pretty flat lands I didn’t see the point. Ah well!
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The cheapest Trek road bike with hydraulic disks is around $4,000. So sure, if the average rider spends at least four grand on a new bike they may be better off with disk brakes. It's not true for me personally, but I'm probably not the average rider either.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
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The cheapest Trek road bike with hydraulic disks is around $4,000. So sure, if the average rider spends at least four grand on a new bike they may be better off with disk brakes. It's not true for me personally, but I'm probably not the average rider either.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
For $1800 Giant will sell you hydraulic discs...
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/contend-ar-1
Reality still is that rim brakes are going away on future bikes. So you might as well embrace the better stopping power and the ability to run wider tires. 700 x 32 on my Trek Domane are sooooooo comfortable.
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Maybe or maybe not. I think it depends on what's meant by average. Probably the average bike buyer is getting something like THIS BIKE. At price points such as these, is the consumer better off with the disc brakes or would they have been better off for the same dollars spent on a decent quality pair of rim brakes?
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Rim brakes are never going away on my bikes, so if that's what shimano and the bike marketing companies decide to spec on their bikes, I won't buy from them. Just means I have fewer choices, not zero choices, and I don't need disk brakes to run wide tires. That's 100% pure marketing.
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That's what they advise for 4 year olds learning to ride their first ever bike. Removing your front brake is probably losing 75% or more of your total braking ability. I wouldn't call that "safer" for any competent rider.
Edit: apologies, reading the subsequent posts I now understand you were just taking the piss. But some people are so stupid around here that I actually thought it was for real, LOL!
Edit: apologies, reading the subsequent posts I now understand you were just taking the piss. But some people are so stupid around here that I actually thought it was for real, LOL!
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Maybe or maybe not. I think it depends on what's meant by average. Probably the average bike buyer is getting something like THIS BIKE. At price points such as these, is the consumer better off with the disc brakes or would they have been better off for the same dollars spent on a decent quality pair of rim brakes?
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The cheapest Trek road bike with hydraulic disks is around $4,000. So sure, if the average rider spends at least four grand on a new bike they may be better off with disk brakes. It's not true for me personally, but I'm probably not the average rider either.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
OTOH, if I want to buy my wife or kid a thousand dollar bike, they're getting crappy mechanical disks even though I know that rim brakes would be lighter, cheaper, easier to maintain, and stop just as well 99% of the time. It's really brilliant because when people come back to complain about how terrible their mechanical disks are, you can up-sell them to a four-thousand-dollar bike with hydraulics.
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Mechanical disks are that bad. I have BB7's on one of my bikes, and they are terrible. They don't expose their full crappinesss until you ride them a few hundred miles in the rain, so my suspicion is that most people don't ride their bikes enough to ever realize just how crappy they are. My wife has them on her bike and they have been fine because she only rides her bike a few hundred miles a year and only in nice weather. The exact conditions in which rim brakes would be perfectly adequate, cheaper, lighter and less maintenance.
Rim brakes are never going away on my bikes, so if that's what shimano and the bike marketing companies decide to spec on their bikes, I won't buy from them. Just means I have fewer choices, not zero choices, and I don't need disk brakes to run wide tires. That's 100% pure marketing.
Rim brakes are never going away on my bikes, so if that's what shimano and the bike marketing companies decide to spec on their bikes, I won't buy from them. Just means I have fewer choices, not zero choices, and I don't need disk brakes to run wide tires. That's 100% pure marketing.
You'll still be able to buy parts for your rim brake bikes, but going into the future if you decide to purchase rim brake bike you may have to go custom and pay through the nose for it. The major manufactures will eventually discontinue them due to lack of sales.
https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...-brakes-trash/
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Mechanical disks are that bad. I have BB7's on one of my bikes, and they are terrible. They don't expose their full crappinesss until you ride them a few hundred miles in the rain, so my suspicion is that most people don't ride their bikes enough to ever realize just how crappy they are.
I have ridden a lot of rain miles with mech discs .... because my "rain bike" (the bike I bought specifically to ride in the rain) has mech discs (which were the deciding factor.) Maybe you just don't know how to set up your brakes? Seems a lot more likely if one person can't get mech discs to stop .... but no, keep thinking it is the world, not you.
I chose mech discs because my rain bike is my working and light-touring bike, and if a hydro line or fitting broke or got damaged, I would be screwed .... out in the wilderness with $10K of camera gear and no brakes (luckily I have SPD pedals so I can walk in the shoes, but still .... ) But I can assure you Spyre C brakes work and work well, in every condition I have tested them (no snow, no lava, but everything else.)
Sorry you can't get your primitive BB7s to work. maybe you just don't know how to set them up, or maybe you should get some better, more modern mech discs?
Rim brakes are never going away on my bikes, so if that's what shimano and the bike marketing companies decide to spec on their bikes, I won't buy from them. Just means I have fewer choices, not zero choices, and I don't need disk brakes to run wide tires. That's 100% pure marketing.
On the other hand, I am not so stupid not to be able to evaluate the benefits of hydro discs, and in a lot of situations, they are simply better brakes. The added performance might no be necessary for a lot of riders, but frankly, most of us don't use a fraction of the capacity of our current braking systems most of the time. No one does panic stops all day. Doesn't mean the extra capacity isn't good to have.
I can go about as fast in my 2004 Honda as a guy in a new Corvette, usually ..... because he doesn't want a ticket and neither do it. But I like really using my car now and then ... and if I had a Corvette, I might never use a fraction of its capacity (not may places where cornering and breaking at a G or more is safe on any public road) but I guarantee you every now and then ...... And I have used 100 percent of my Honda's braking ability (mostly when I tired too hard to use its cornering ability.)
I used to drive my girlfriend's '67 VW from time to time. You could drive that car flat-out in traffic---99 percent--and not be any faster than all the housewives using five percent of their cars' capacities (the joys of 22 bhp and 4.5" tires ... )
Probably your wife would be perfectly happy with a 7-speed Huffy---she'd have to thrash it, but she could get the same overall performance as she does out of her current bike, probably.
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Mechanical disks are that bad. I have BB7's on one of my bikes, and they are terrible. They don't expose their full crappinesss until you ride them a few hundred miles in the rain, so my suspicion is that most people don't ride their bikes enough to ever realize just how crappy they are.
Hydraulics are better still, but I wouldn't refuse another road bike with TRP Spyres. Rim brakes? No thanks.
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As noted above...you probably don't have something set up right.
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Anything's possible. They stop the bike fine, it's the squealing I can't stand. I can replace the pads to stop the squealing. It's not hard, just annoying and something I don't have to do with rim brakes.
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And for the record...cheap rim brakes/wheels will also make noise.