rangerdavid

I have a couple of primal jerseys....

pallen

I'm not sure what plan he's following. From what I understand of the paleo diet, nuts, fruits and such are all part of it. Just don't tell the OP that they have carbs

wkg

It's called "Primal Blue Print". I have no idea what that means.

snow blind

The whole "Primal or Paleo" diet is simple and just makes sense. You limit most, if not all, worthless or damaging (Read up on gluten and how harmful whole grains can be. Their only real benefit, fiber, is easily obtained from veggies/fruits) grains from your diet and replace those calories and carbs with fresh veggies and fruits... eat lot of lean protein, nuts and healthy fats. And no processed foods. Now i'm no Primal or Paleo nut like most of them... but I don't eat grains save for rice and I eat organic and non-processed... I feel great... it simply works for me. Lots more professional athletes are limiting or cutting grains from their diets every year.

Even at the pro cycling level... Garmin|Cervelo

gregf83 

It means you buy the book, eat the recommended food, buy buckets of nutritional supplements to make up for what's missing from the recommended diet and try and figure out how to train without eating carbs.

For the OP: You could try bringing some dates on your ride. That's all I normally eat. It sounds primal but it's pretty much 100% evil carbs.

RUOkie

I would try to bring a date on my rides, but my wife would likely get mad.

snow blind

That's not it at all... carbs aren't bad on "Paleo" (god why must people design diets) it's grains. Vegetables have plenty of carbohydrates... but they also contain more vitamins and minerals and calories than grains without all the harmful inflammatory, "anti-nutrients"... gluten, lectins, and phytates.

Dates are great! I use them myself in the juicer and in smoothies. They're a nice simple carb boost when needed.

wkg

Nowadays if you watch a few documentaries ("documentries") on any subject you are automatically an approved expert at the level of somebody who has a Bachelor's degree pertaining to that subject.

Five documentaries gets you the Master's degree.

pallen

Are Youtube videos good for an Associates?

pallen

BTW - I'm not convinced that every anti-nutrient must be eliminated from our diet. Beans have them, as well as many other beneficial foods. Red wine, green tea and anything with tannins contain anti-nutrients and these have all been found to have age-increasing effects. Eliminating anti-nutrients is all the rage right now, but I'm not sure the jury is in yet on how hardcore we should be about them.

gregf83 

I suspect sugar is 'bad' on a paleo diet but as far as fuel for riding, sugar, dates or energy bars are pretty much all the same: they provide carbs.

snow blind

Oh, I completely agree with you! And, like I said, I'm not a Paleo nut and more a believer in everything in moderation (besides gluten and most grains... me personally). The reason it is so easy for some to make the decision to eliminate wheat/gluten and most grains is because of a simple cost vs benefit comparison... total "costs" far outweighs the "benefits". A hypothetical pro cyclist could say: "Why would I eat grains when I can get all the carbohydrates I need from vegetables/greens fruits nuts and seeds... all of which will not negatively effect me like gluten and most grains will?" Meh, all comes down to personal preference. I generally think people would benefit more from fewer grains and processed foods and way more fresh, organic and whenever possible, raw veggies.

God my first day joined (years of stalking) and I sound like the health nazi... i'm done Need to get out of work and have a beer.

wkg

How does gluten negatively affect me?

snow blind

According to "the Paleo thing" sugars are n't considered "bad". I'm with you in that sugar is sugar... but only when simply comparing glucose... not the associated "friends" different foods bring to the party. This is the "paleo pyramid" or something or other...

snow blind

Gluten (generally) has been found to be inflammatory which does more harm than good... grains do little in the way of being "good for us". They contain little vitamin and mineral content can limit (slow drastically) nutrient absorption in their un-sprouted form (the phytates in them). Some are more sensitive to the inflammation than others. Don't get me wrong, I'm no preacher... i seriously think the whole strict Paleo thing is ridiculous. There has been TONS of research on the topic and you can find many studies on the web.

wkg

Well I'm not just going to do a google search to read about this I want my information here and now and I want you to tell me it.

As far as I know I am not experiencing any inflaming due to gluten consumption. How would I know if the inflammation is occurring?

snow blind

Right... okkkkk.

Easiest way to tell... top eating grains for a few weeks. Cut them ALL out. Replace those calories with dark leafy greens, other veggies and fruit. See how you feel. I can almost guarantee you'll feel much better and your blood sugar will be more stable also.

pallen

Cant argue with that.

wkg

Sounds like a placebo effect.

When you say inflammation due to gluten, what part of the human anatomy in specific is inflamed?

RUOkie

the humours

snow blind

Cool. That's your opinion and you're very much entitled to it.

You body will make prostaglandins (inflammatory chemicals) throughout the body. These chemicals create inflammation in your stomach/intestines, heart, brain, joints etc. That is why gluten has evidence to possibly link it to many other diseases and conditions. IDK if your're playing devil's advocate... but really, if you're concerned, interested... or whatever else the case may be... I suggest you start with some Journals and studies online etc. Here's a good quick article from the Huff. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mar..._b_379089.html

wkg

I like how you linked to an article on the Huffington Post. Very reassuring.

Prostaglandins are not "inflammatory chemicals". Prostaglandin is a hormone. There are different types prostaglandin and they cause a huge variety of responses (not just inflammation, some do they exact opposite).

snow blind

You're correct about everything you've said. And so was I. What's your point? I do honestly apologize for my use of "chemical" and not "hormone"... it's not like hormones are made up of cheica... er, wait? Chemicals -> lipids -> Prostaglandins. Chemicals are not lipids or prostaglandins but both the latter are chemicals. Correct, they can be anti-inflammatory as well. Guess which are more present after gluten consumption? Well obvious troll... it's been fun. We should pick this up again later... I've got a few miles to do.

RUOkie

I don't know, which ones? Assuming of course the consumer is NOT suffering from sprue?

pallen

That's the problem I see with all the gluten hand-wringing. Its bad news for Celiacs and a few others who are sensitive, but not full-blown Celiac. I dont see much concern for those that dont have these issues. Of course, I guess the question is who do you know if you are sensitive or not. Celiac disease is likely under-diagnosed, but we are still talking about less than 1% of the populatioin.