BarracksSi

I don't understand why people cry out "sales pitch" when all you have to do is buy healthy, unprocessed food in any grocery store outside of your corner gas station.

savvy523

Haha wow...I guess we don't need any energy with all those drills and long distance runs we do in the blistering heat.

JustinHorne

Technically, he's right. The body can only store ~~ 2000 calories worth of carbohydrates. The big push in the last few years of "new-school" sports nutrition is all about teaching the body to draw upon fat reserves INSTEAD of carb reserves as it's energy during aerobic activity, because you have an (effectively) limitless supply of stored fat energy.

Bob Dopolina 

Re-read my post and google carbo loading. You clearly don't understand what it is, how it is done and what my point was.

'Carbo loading' does not mean scarfing donwn a bunch of carbs the night before competition nor does it mean ingesting massive amounts of carbs on a regular basis.

'Carbo loading' is a process where you completely DEPLETE your system of carbs for an extended period first and then consume an amount that contains more carbs than your body would normally convert and store as gycogen (but not as fat).

As a reaction to the depletion phase your body stores even more carbs than it would normally. This is LOADING.

There are problems with this:

1. Stiff, achey muscles prior to competition

2. Bloating due to the fact it takes WATER to store carbs (weight gain)

3. Poor recovery because of the damage done during the depletion phase.

To recap, carbo loading means you enter competition stiff, sore, bloated and poorly recovered. Sounds like a recipe for success to me...(sarcasm smilie).

If someone is being given the advice to carbo load from their coach they should change coaches.

For the record, I live and train 4~5 hours a day in the TROPICS several times a week. I know heat.

MikeyBoyAz

I believe they cry sales pitch because of all the background. If he has simply said I am on the "[don't even remember] Diet" and wonder who else is... what do you do about "x." At that point, the people who are ON the diet could respond, and people who are not would have nothing to say till they googled it, and then would still have their snarky remarks... but no sales pitch remarks.

I like food, and I cycle to eat food at the same rate but lose weight... On the other hand this is my first year cycling and I am setting the goal of 3700mi for the year... tried to average 350 -500 a month... <And this is the diet I used> bla bla bla... hence the sales pitch method.

gsteinb

These are diets for people without self control. Popcorn with oil as a snack? eat a freaking carrot. Steak for dinner?

This reminds me of conversations I had with my mom's friends over the years...

"how do you stay in such good shape?"
I eat healthy and exercise.
"what do you eat"
oatmeal for breakfast. plain tuna for lunch. and usually pasta and grilled chicken for dinner.
"what do you have for dessert?"

savvy523

I know it's not eating thousands of calories before the match. It's not our coaches, we have guys ranked top 1000 in the world. Not to mention the pros who do it. Running is clearly harder than cycling, so your 4-5 hours a day isn't a lot. We train way more.

Bob Dopolina 

You clearly have no clue about what training 4~5 hours a day for an elite cyclist entails or what carbo loading actually is. You also seem to have ADD as you can't focus enough to read beyond the first paragraph of any of my posts.

Pros don't 'carbo load'.

But carry on and I'm sure your 1980's training methods will continue to deliver the mediocre performances to which you aspire.

Dudelsack 

I think this video will clear up a lot of the confusion about diets and such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AVyB...e_gdata_player

Bob Dopolina 

^^^
+1.

surgeonstone

Complete, total, utter, fail.

surgeonstone

Complete,total,utter, fail. So much wrong here I don't know where to begin or if it is even worth it.

surgeonstone

Sorry about the duplication. Not trying to be pcad here....really I'm not.

jimisnowhere

I've been following the Primal Blueprint for about 3 months now. My intent was weight loss, the inflammation stuff and the other theories seem neat, but I'm fat. I switched to it when I felt I was on a permanent Weight Watchers plateau. I'll add (some) grains back in when I'm at a competitive weight. I record all my ride times, avg speeds, qualities and incidents on Excel. Bonks stopped 2 weeks into the diet. They return when I slide off the diet, for weeks like Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc. When I was eating lots of grains, gels, gus and sportsdrinks I found myself slipping into a bonk repeatedly in the last 30 miles of a century. Drink gatorade feel super strong, fade, have a gel, feel great fade harder, gatorade feel great...bonk. Now, I take apples, cheddar and salami on rides. No bonks, no sudden fades of power, just a steady predictable decline in energy. ...Eating cheese and salami is a pretty funny way to nauseate the people your with. At first I always kept a clif bar on me in case I really did bonk. But now I only get hungry, never stupid sloppy starving. My weight loss has been a steady 1.5 lbs/week. I suspect in 6 weeks I'll be where I want to be weight wise. I also think a "no grains diet" helps you keep from eating easily overeaten junk food, all "foods" that are a bag in a box, and fried crap.

Also I really don't care if you buy the book. Or follow the diet. Maybe once I'm thin I won't have the same results.

But I this week I had bacon, eggs & spinach or 10% milkfat greek yogurt and almonds for breakfast, wings for lunch, thai coconut soup with shrimp, big salads full of walnuts and blue cheese, salami, all the fancy cheeses Trader Joe's has, 8-10 hardboiled eggs with a drop of hoisin on em, cans of sardines in olive oil, dark chocolate, ciopinni soup and a tom yum noodle bowl to cheat. Lost 1.5 lbs, felt great in spin class and had a few good snow rides on the Ice Bike. That was nice.

BarracksSi

Go see what people think over in the "Gatorade gives me acid reflux" thread.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ecommendations

renegaderider

No beer?..... I'm out.

adriano 

if youre fat, do the zone diet. concentrate on that if you didnt notice any gastrointestinal improvement from strict paleo. if you did, do paleo zone.

Dudelsack 

I would like to take some pills that make me fit and trim.

blcknspo0ln

That's called Winni-V and it'll make your balls small.

Lexi01

I had the same thought - was looking for a link...

gregf83 

You're just using your diet to pace yourself better. You'd be faster if you ditched the cheese and salami and ate some carbs on the ride. People take in carbs on a ride to go faster. If you don't care about going faster leaving out the carbs and riding slower is fine but all the fat you're eating on the ride is of no benefit and won't stop you from bonking. You're not bonking because you are riding at a lower intensity.

canemaster

Just wanted to chime in and say that carbs/sugar are pretty essential for anyone's metabolism.
Glucose is the main source for energy in your cells and carbs provide all of your "short-term" fuel.
When you don't have enough carbs, you're body turns to fatty acid oxidation, which isn't as efficient.

Long story short, you really should incorporate carbs back into your diet. They reason you lost all that weight is because your body started using your "long term" energy storages to compensate. It's not healthy in the long run.

edit- I'm a 4th year Biochemistry major. <- Adding some credibility to my post

BarracksSi

And paleo/primal is not Atkins, either.

jimisnowhere

Right now my goal is weightloss, any increases in speed are just incidental. But in my crippling nerd-dom, I have an excel file of all my rides since last May, when I got serious. Avg speed has been steadily increasing, while perceived effort has stayed the same, perceived effort on climbs have dropped. But I do go out and hammer at my max effort for 1-1.5 hours, I ride with guys stronger than me and still no bonks since going Primal. I also moved to a much hillier area so ride intensity is higher now than in August. But those hills feel a lot better at 183 than they did at 200! ...Now this may change when I'm at race weight. At that point, speed increases will be the goal, and if I gotta eat grains I will. The diets a tool, not a dogma. That and I miss ShotBloks!!

Ok so the only grains I consume do come out of brown bottles.

jimisnowhere

Canemaster: I personally don't spend all week in ketosis. I eat plenty of high carb foods: sweet potato, kale, fruit, butternut squash, I just avoid grains. Atkins is the scary 0g carbs/day diet.