Big News out of Austin, TX today. Armstrong just banned from all sanctioned comp....
07-03-12, 12:32 PM
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As a cycling fan, I want to believe that a man can come back from cancer and dominate the sport for years to come. It makes for a good All-American story complete with overcoming the odds and not letting an obstacle take you down.
As a human, I do feel that Armstrong did dope along with the rest of the field and the fact that he let no one touch him to me shows he had superior talent and a dedicated team, even though that dedication may have been more forced than earned. Nonetheless, he doped and most likely the USADA will find him guilty. I am a little puzzled on why we just punish the riders when we should also be looking to those in charge within the UCI that took the donations from Armstrong and the possibility that they could of covered up positive tests. I feel the UCI officials who were involved with the donation acceptance and the cover up should be investigated as well. It seems only a small amount of the guilty parties are being punished.
As a human, I do feel that Armstrong did dope along with the rest of the field and the fact that he let no one touch him to me shows he had superior talent and a dedicated team, even though that dedication may have been more forced than earned. Nonetheless, he doped and most likely the USADA will find him guilty. I am a little puzzled on why we just punish the riders when we should also be looking to those in charge within the UCI that took the donations from Armstrong and the possibility that they could of covered up positive tests. I feel the UCI officials who were involved with the donation acceptance and the cover up should be investigated as well. It seems only a small amount of the guilty parties are being punished.
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As a cycling fan, I want to believe that a man can come back from cancer and dominate the sport for years to come. It makes for a good All-American story complete with overcoming the odds and not letting an obstacle take you down.
As a human, I do feel that Armstrong did dope along with the rest of the field and the fact that he let no one touch him to me shows he had superior talent and a dedicated team, even though that dedication may have been more forced than earned. Nonetheless, he doped and most likely the USADA will find him guilty. I am a little puzzled on why we just punish the riders when we should also be looking to those in charge within the UCI that took the donations from Armstrong and the possibility that they could of covered up positive tests. I feel the UCI officials who were involved with the donation acceptance and the cover up should be investigated as well. It seems only a small amount of the guilty parties are being punished.
As a human, I do feel that Armstrong did dope along with the rest of the field and the fact that he let no one touch him to me shows he had superior talent and a dedicated team, even though that dedication may have been more forced than earned. Nonetheless, he doped and most likely the USADA will find him guilty. I am a little puzzled on why we just punish the riders when we should also be looking to those in charge within the UCI that took the donations from Armstrong and the possibility that they could of covered up positive tests. I feel the UCI officials who were involved with the donation acceptance and the cover up should be investigated as well. It seems only a small amount of the guilty parties are being punished.
07-03-12, 06:33 PM
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07-03-12, 06:37 PM
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Yeah, this is always my hanging point. On the one hand, I'm pretty sure he doped, but beat a field of dopers, so either he was getting better drugs or was just able to out-compete, and, if that's the case, he earned what he got.
On the other hand, he's come off as a real dick since then and lost a lot of my sympathy and I'd sort of like to see him get justice served to him (not that that's worth anything).
That, and I'd like to see the sport cleaned up and that requires a major housecleaning.
But he did accomplish an impressive feat, and do we really have to tear down all the heroes to clean up the sport? Will the housecleaning required mean that americans care even less about it than they do now?
Tough questions.
On the other hand, he's come off as a real dick since then and lost a lot of my sympathy and I'd sort of like to see him get justice served to him (not that that's worth anything).
That, and I'd like to see the sport cleaned up and that requires a major housecleaning.
But he did accomplish an impressive feat, and do we really have to tear down all the heroes to clean up the sport? Will the housecleaning required mean that americans care even less about it than they do now?
Tough questions.
07-03-12, 06:39 PM
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This. Makes sense, as UCI is just as crooked asit seems Lance is. if nothing else, the head of UCI should be gone. This is going to take down a bunch of folks IMO.
07-03-12, 06:45 PM
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On the other hand, he's come off as a real dick since then and lost a lot of my sympathy and I'd sort of like to see him get justice served to him (not that that's worth anything).
That, and I'd like to see the sport cleaned up and that requires a major housecleaning.
But he did accomplish an impressive feat, and do we really have to tear down all the heroes to clean up the sport?
Under a HUGE cloud of suspicion, so he didnt really accomplish much, cept for cheating to accomplish what you said.
Will the housecleaning required mean that americans care even less about it than they do now?
07-05-12, 01:23 AM
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repo...inst-armstrong
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
07-05-12, 02:50 AM
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repo...inst-armstrong
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis
07-05-12, 06:12 AM
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I'm not an Armstrong fan or a hater. I just get uncomfortable when the sentiment seems to be guilty until proven innocent. Or, everybody else did it, so he must have done it. Saying he is guilty because of the absence of compelling proof of innocence seems like pretty flimsy grounds for stripping away the victories.
If people started accusing Peter Sagan, that would be an example of 'guilty because of the absence of compelling proof of innocence,' and it would be a fallacy to accuse him. This is not the case with Lance Armstrong, against whom there are multiple lines of evidence, including several witnesses.
07-05-12, 10:30 AM
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The news out this morning about Cyclists testifying against Lance can't be good. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/...705-21jnl.html
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repo...inst-armstrong
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
Greg Lemond/Davis Phinney and the ENTIRE 7 11 RACING TEAM SAY HELLO.
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The news out this morning about Cyclists testifying against Lance can't be good. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/...705-21jnl.html
07-05-12, 11:25 AM
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repo...inst-armstrong
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
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I think the whole timing of theses accusations is a PR move by the USADA. Just before Ironman and during TdF. Why else would you come up with accusations publicly before you are ready if not for pure publicity. I am more interested in comments from Jens than legal mumbo jumbo releases from the USADA
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Seems like the witnesses are getting a pretty good deal, especially Hincapie. They're doing what they can to let him ride his record-breaking TDF and then he'll serve a meaningless 6-month suspension after he's retired. I guess that just shows how reluctant these guys would be to talk unless they can get off virtually scott free.
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repo...inst-armstrong
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
These guys are all obviously lying cheats like Floyd Landis trying to sully the name of this amazing athlete who single-handedly bought pro cycling to the USA.
Happy 4th of July everyone! USA is #1!
Or 26.
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Seems like the witnesses are getting a pretty good deal, especially Hincapie. They're doing what they can to let him ride his record-breaking TDF and then he'll serve a meaningless 6-month suspension after he's retired. I guess that just shows how reluctant these guys would be to talk unless they can get off virtually scott free.
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The report about witness' and 6 month suspensions originated in a Dutch newspaper. Have no idea
who their sources are etc. Something sounds bogus here to me.
If I were Lance and this were true ( 6 month suspension, immunity etc.) I'd be screaming bloody murder
and, it would only confirm his statements that WADA/USADA etc. are out to get him. Either they're all
guilty or they're all innocent there is not grey area in this.
Lemondfanforever, throwing the baby out with the bathwater? If I read you correctly
everyone since Greg is a doper, or a suspected doper.
I suggest you read Breaking the Chain by Willie Voet
and Dog in a Hat by Joe Parkin to get a better idea of doping in the
pre and post Lemond era.
give you a little hint, nobody's clean.
who their sources are etc. Something sounds bogus here to me.
If I were Lance and this were true ( 6 month suspension, immunity etc.) I'd be screaming bloody murder
and, it would only confirm his statements that WADA/USADA etc. are out to get him. Either they're all
guilty or they're all innocent there is not grey area in this.
Lemondfanforever, throwing the baby out with the bathwater? If I read you correctly
everyone since Greg is a doper, or a suspected doper.
I suggest you read Breaking the Chain by Willie Voet
and Dog in a Hat by Joe Parkin to get a better idea of doping in the
pre and post Lemond era.
give you a little hint, nobody's clean.
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Uh oh, don't get him started implying that Lemond might not have a lily white perfect soul either. But yeah, the fact that it was only reported in the one dutch paper and everyone else is just reporting that this paper is reporting it to cover their asses might mean it's all not quite what they say it is.
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By the way, I really enjoyed Dog in a Hat.
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