nova

Ahh crap your right of course I forgot what channel lost was on heh. Good show just hate the channs owner/partner. Dont know why i was thinking it was fox. I guess cause they have about the same attitude heh.

nova

CS1 was wrong on the law see my previous reply or read it for your self on the odot site.

EventServices

It's clearly all about motives with Anne.

If you're just out riding for exercise, she seems to be fine with that.
But the moment you decide to either RACE or at least UPGRADE your equipment, she's through with you.

So just wear a t-shirt, and ride more upright, and she won't kill you.

koine2002

No problem man, just don't want it moved to the lounge since it deals with competitive road cycling. As for A&S, I've stopped going there--got tired of the rants and reverse discrimination against "cagers".

tinrobot

Perhaps this woman should ride a bike to work for a month, then come back and revisit her opinion.

budster

Very Good Answer.

garysol1 

I have seen Anne before.......She was driving with a big mac in one hand and a coke in the other with a cell phone pinned between her shoulder and her neck rolls......

lotek 

ok, I brought up the politics, not that that's
ever happened before.
Anne unfortunately has a point, albeit she has a very convoluted
way of making it.
Bikes, refusing to yield to faster moving vehicles does pose
a problem, I agree with Zorro on this.
We (cyclists) are just as responsible for the problems
of sharing the road as the cagers in SUVs.
Ever blown through stop signs? Run a red light?
refused to yield to faster traffic?
weave in and out of traffic in rush hour?

All of the above just plays into the cagers arguments.
I do think Eventservices is onto something,
maybe Anne is a Crusader for the Rights of Freds?

marty

Treespeed

While some of the bad behavior you listed does occur, none of these things have anything to do with cyclists yielding their legal right to their portion of the roadway. Busses and dump trucks don't drive on to the sidewalk when they are going slowly and neither should cyclists. There is no reason for a cyclist to put themselves at risk to avoid delaying a motorist who wishes to illegally pass. You make the same logical error that many motorists make when complaining about cyclists, which is that bad behavior by a portion of the cycling community does not negate a lawful cyclist's right to the road.

-Marcus

SDRider

Oh man, I'd unload a verbal assault on her the likes of which she's never seen before...

nova

Actually no i havent done any of it. Rolled through a stop sign when its totaly obvious there is zero trafic sure. Refuseing to let a motorist pass when its unsafe to do so is a legal right. You do not ever have to put your self in danger to allow another vehical to pass no matter what your on or in.

Some one who ispissed at a cyclist because the cyclist is acting like a idiot is not a cager. But this anne needs to hear the old argument if the shoe fits....

"If there is a narrow lane to the outside of the white line, USE IT. I know you are too cool to use the sissy lane, but you are impeding traffic."
She says this with out regards to hazards that may be in that so called sissylane. Also doesnt mention the road it happened on. For all we know its a 20 to 25 mph residential street thats all flat or down hill. I can easly maintain 20 mph on the roads up at the local park. I can hit and maintain 25 if I push my self just a little. Coming home from the park i can hit 25 just from coasting and 30 if i pedal even moderatly fast. Speed limit in silver creek 25mph speed limit on jhonson 35 mph In both cases im able to maintain the speed limit or the speed limit.

What im going to asume based on what little info she provided she wanted to blast down a road well above the speed limit and some cyclists got in her way that were at or near the speed limit.

As you said though this is fox so id not put it past them to fake the posting to get some htis and ratings. After all they got at least as many hits to that page as this post got views 626 as of clicking the link this time.

alison_in_oh

Sorry dude, but that's utter BS. Somebody already posted the actual law for you, but I wonder where you got this misinformation from?

EDIT. Well, damn. Sorry for calling BS; apparently at some point the language was changed from "as far right as is practicable" to "when practicable within three feet of the right edge of the roadway". Which still means that it's OK to take the lane when you need to, but that dictate about 36 inches is a big fat surprise to me!

You can definitely ride two abreast though.

nova

Likly from some cop who missread it. Ive had cops tell me the same thing twice this season. Glad i had a copy of the laws with me heh.

lotek 

I'm not defending Anne
I just can see where she might be coming from.
Push comes to shove its a lack of understanding by the
general public about Bicycling and the law.

I never said anything about riding on the sidewalk
where did that come from?
what is not clear is what is the "narrow lane outside
the white line" is this a bike lane? A breakdown lane?
I personally ride 2 to 3 feet from the curb and knock
on wood haven't had any problems with the rednecks,
cowboys and semi's here where I ride. I do yield when
appropriate, but that doesn't mean getting off the road.
common curtesy and a good dose of self preservation
works wonders.

marty

caloso

Yeah, I bet Annie's sitting in her sedan checking out gruppos: Look at that jerk with his 10spd Dura Ace! He could get the same performance with an Ultegra/105 mix at half the price. I think I'm going to run his butt over to teach him a lesson!

USAZorro

Are you saying that Anne doesn't like Poseurs? Uh, maybe we'd better not go there.

Obviously, there's a lot of misunderstanding about what the traffic laws are. Mostly amongst motor vehicle drivers, but there are also a number of cyclists who either have bad information, or don't care. Maybe there should be a sticky in one of the Forums that people can post applicable state laws in?

Dchiefransom

My guess is she's talking about a road with no shoulder, and a white line a few inches from the right edge of the pavement. It could also be a very small paved shoulder that's totally inadequate and unsafe to ride at a fast speed on. If it's such a great place to be, then maybe she should be driving there.

adamfresno

and dead dogs and other critters

ncjok

I wonder if Anne is talking about cyclists out on a group training ride. If there is a number of bikes, in a string or perhaps a little spread out, travelling down the side of a narrow-ish road it might make it difficult to pass -- I mean if you can't overtake a few and get back in. I know I'm stretching it a bit. I bike and drive and quite frequently on my way to work I see guys coming the other way on a group session. I've never experienced the "problem" I describe while driving, but maybe it happened to her.

I'm only posting because I had a great ride this evening. No horns beeped at me, lots of room given, people cruising behind me (patiently?) waiting to pass at the next safe spot. I wish I had a sign on my back saying "Thanks for the room!". I put my hand up to a lot that waited, but sometimes you're just too busy hammering along in the drops

humancongereel

same here. even idaho has better bike laws than those. as far as driver's attitudes, it depends on where you are in this city.

thewalrus

Why would anyone listen to the opinions of fox news or its viewers, unless they needed a barometer of views held by hummer-loving red state warmongers?

chipcom 

I believe Fox is owned by News Corp - Rupert Murdoch, not Michael Isner. But the fact still remains, Fox News makes the National Inquirer look like McNeil-Lerher

chipcom 

No flames, but a few facts from the Ohio Revised Code:

§ 4511.55. Riding bicycles; motorcycles abreast.

(A) Every person operating a bicycle upon a roadway shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable obeying all traffic rules applicable to vehicles and exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction.

(B) Persons riding bicycles or motorcycles upon a roadway shall ride not more than two abreast in a single lane, except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles or motorcycles.

There is no 36" rule and it is perfectly legal to ride two-abreast.

Proposed changes to the ORC give better definition of our right to the road, among other improvements. They can be found here: https://www.legislature.state.oh.us/b...?ID=126_HB_389

chipcom 

I should really read the whole danged thread before opening my big claptrap and covering ground already covered. Allison - there is no 36' limit in the current law - you may have seen the proposed new language, which you need to read in full context to see that it does not limit us as you suspect:

https://www.legislature.state.oh.us/b...?ID=126_HB_389

bluyak

Maybe she needs to read the drivers manual again. She has forgotten the white line is the edge of the road. She needs to drive in the "sissy lane" aka "shoulder" and slice a tire or two. But then she would have to have an IQ high enough to read.

I live in Iowa and ride both Iowa and Illinois roads. Both states have simular laws. You have full use of the lane. But it is suggested to stay right. Motor vehicals are to pass you like an other motor vehical. no closer than 3 feet for cars and 6 feet for trucks. I ride highways and have very little problems with motorist. Most are curtious drivers. But every once in a while I get a person waving there hand with a one finger solute or are they try to tell me there IQ?