Cinelli Model B - 6315 SN
06-06-13, 04:32 PM
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06-06-13, 05:31 PM
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Thanks.
Love Miamijim's model B, and probably pretty close to my size.
The original poster's model B sports a non standard fork and bar/stem ensemble. I wonder if it is French, and the bar exchanged to fit the replacement fork? Stranger things have happened to a bike near 50 years old.
Love Miamijim's model B, and probably pretty close to my size.
The original poster's model B sports a non standard fork and bar/stem ensemble. I wonder if it is French, and the bar exchanged to fit the replacement fork? Stranger things have happened to a bike near 50 years old.
06-07-13, 11:54 AM
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As I promised here are the photos: https://s1366.photobucket.com/user/di...?sort=3&page=1
@ Citoyen du Monde - the bike comes from Germany
Feel free to sort things out about the extra components present on the bike, all are vintage and look from that time.
@ Citoyen du Monde - the bike comes from Germany
Feel free to sort things out about the extra components present on the bike, all are vintage and look from that time.
06-07-13, 12:21 PM
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Italian racing bikes are usually too gaudy for my taste, but a huge exception is the Cinelli. Always very tasteful.
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06-10-13, 04:36 AM
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One of the wheels is Super Champion and the other is Ambrosio Olympic Champion. As far as i know might be rare ones, but i need to fix some spores.
06-10-13, 09:12 AM
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Spores? Given the language difference, I'm going to assume you are referring to the rust spots on the chrome bits, Diaolous.
How are you planning on approaching the task?
How are you planning on approaching the task?
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Italian racing bikes are usually too gaudy for my taste
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09-06-13, 02:35 AM
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09-06-13, 08:33 AM
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Die Gabel ist ganz bestimmt ausgetauscht worden. Den Rad ist aus der Ende der 50er. Beide Räder sind ebenfalls hauptwahrscheinlich ausgetauscht, da Gnutti Naben nie auf Cinelli Räder vorkommen in Italien (es wäre möglich dass die in Deutschland benutzt würden aber es wäre merkwürdig) und die Beide Felgen stammen aus einer später Zeitraum. Steht es irgend wo am Rad dass es ein Modell B ist? Es könnte wohl ein Riviera sein.
TRanslation: The fork has most assuredly been changed out. The bike is from the late 50's. Both wheels have also been switched out insofar as Gnutti hubs are not found on Cinelli bikes in Italy (it is possible that they were used in Germany, but that would be strange) and both of the rims post-date the rest of the bike. Is it written somewhere on the bike that it is a Mod. B? It could be a Riviera.
TRanslation: The fork has most assuredly been changed out. The bike is from the late 50's. Both wheels have also been switched out insofar as Gnutti hubs are not found on Cinelli bikes in Italy (it is possible that they were used in Germany, but that would be strange) and both of the rims post-date the rest of the bike. Is it written somewhere on the bike that it is a Mod. B? It could be a Riviera.
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09-06-13, 05:40 PM
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Die Gabel ist ganz bestimmt ausgetauscht worden. Den Rad ist aus der Ende der 50er. Beide Räder sind ebenfalls hauptwahrscheinlich ausgetauscht, da Gnutti Naben nie auf Cinelli Räder vorkommen in Italien (es wäre möglich dass die in Deutschland benutzt würden aber es wäre merkwürdig) und die Beide Felgen stammen aus einer später Zeitraum. Steht es irgend wo am Rad dass es ein Modell B ist? Es könnte wohl ein Riviera sein.
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diaolous,
thank you for sharing the photos of this fine old bike of yours.
You have done an excellent job of cleaning every part of it.
One spoke looks like it needs to be straightened, perhaps.
Are you not anxious to ride this bike and feel how it handles?
I would be.
Just get some peddles on it and enjoy it. And then tell us how wonderful it is!
Can you post a photo of the bottom of the bottom bracket, with the markings?
I think it looks absolutely gorgeous, I would love to ride it. Fast.
Nice socks, too.
thank you for sharing the photos of this fine old bike of yours.
You have done an excellent job of cleaning every part of it.
One spoke looks like it needs to be straightened, perhaps.
Are you not anxious to ride this bike and feel how it handles?
I would be.
Just get some peddles on it and enjoy it. And then tell us how wonderful it is!
Can you post a photo of the bottom of the bottom bracket, with the markings?
I think it looks absolutely gorgeous, I would love to ride it. Fast.
Nice socks, too.
09-06-13, 07:06 PM
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Die Gabel ist ganz bestimmt ausgetauscht worden. Den Rad ist aus der Ende der 50er. Beide Räder sind ebenfalls hauptwahrscheinlich ausgetauscht, da Gnutti Naben nie auf Cinelli Räder vorkommen in Italien (es wäre möglich dass die in Deutschland benutzt würden aber es wäre merkwürdig) und die Beide Felgen stammen aus einer später Zeitraum. Steht es irgend wo am Rad dass es ein Modell B ist? Es könnte wohl ein Riviera sein.
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09-07-13, 04:08 AM
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As I promised here are the photos: https://s1366.photobucket.com/user/di...?sort=3&page=1
@ Citoyen du Monde - the bike comes from Germany
...
@ Citoyen du Monde - the bike comes from Germany
...
Maybe you already found out yourself... referring to the seat tube dealer's sticker, above that gorgeous cinelli one, a short www-"research" came up with the following:
NBG. = Nürnberg (Bavarian city)
the rest probably: "Äußere Laufer Gasse" (street) and "Rad Reinwald" (dealer)
https://www.fahrrad.de/haendler/reinw...nberg-966.html
If that's correct - and actually a bit of news - the dealer still seems to exist.
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After reading all the infos about it, even if there is a mix of parts the bike rides well and it feels nice on the road.
You must imagine that i wish to complete the bike with all it's original parts but i think it's impossible for the moment
money wise. But step by step i will keep my eyes open and search for the parts, i wat at least the pipe and the bars original for the moment - the fork is going to be a nightmare to find it for sale.
i cannot say how grateful i am to you guys, for the help - and also happy to know that this bike is in a safe place.
Nice weekend to all of you!
You must imagine that i wish to complete the bike with all it's original parts but i think it's impossible for the moment
money wise. But step by step i will keep my eyes open and search for the parts, i wat at least the pipe and the bars original for the moment - the fork is going to be a nightmare to find it for sale.i cannot say how grateful i am to you guys, for the help - and also happy to know that this bike is in a safe place.
Nice weekend to all of you!
09-07-13, 01:02 PM
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I have seen a number of Riviera bikes with the forged drop-outs, though not those normally found in Germany and England which appear to have been contract-built for Cinelli
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Love it! Don't sell-Ride!
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03-06-14, 03:54 AM
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The bike is now for SALE, reply to me if you are interested.
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I can't add much to 1987's remarks, but your Weinmann brakes are a pretty early model consistent with a date in the late 50's. I bought a similar set that were allegedly taken off a 1958 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix. On later ones the writing is smaller and enclosed in a little incuse box.
Rudi- The bike depicted has Weinmann 730 and 810. Is there a specific reason why the two model differences are used? Perhaps a better, stiffer grade alloy??
I question as on another bike the 810 is on the rear and a Weinmann unmarked is on the front, but only indicated made in Switzerland (rear side). Not sure if I have it correct or perhaps it was once swapped out. Both are aluminum and the rear brake has a small font.
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In the present case, the longer reach front brake is contrary to my expectation and I'd say it's further evidence that the fork has been replaced. But I'm not sure about that. I don't know Cinellis! Note the following:
As for the clearance given by the fork, I have seen both generous clearance and very tight clearance on Cinelli's so I don't believe that this can be considered overly relevant. Try verifying the levelness of the top tube. If the top tube points upwards towards the front, this would again point to a replaced fork.
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