Has anyone here seen this yet?

The new Tommasini special edition Gorilla track singlespeed steel frame.

It looks nice and it's Italian but the price is really high. And no lugs. But takes fat wheels on the other hand.

"New Tommasini special edition Gorilla track singlespeed steel frame with front and rear brake mounts. TIG welded, cataphoresis treatment against corrosion. Ferrari red single color paint job. The 1" threaded fork is included in the set.

Manufactured by Tommasini in Grosseto, Italy.
Frame 55 center-center, 56 top tube c2c, head tube 13.3 cm, front triangle Columbus Thron tubing
Seat tube diameter 27.2mm
Tubing Double butted Columbus Thron CrMo
Rear spacing 120mm
Bottom Bracket Shell 70mm / threads Italian
Max. tire size 35
Weight 2.3 kg the frame, 0.8 kg the fork"



https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...%3D4%26ps%3D42

yeah, the guy that i got my tommasini from has them made by
tommasini. basically a single speed road frame...you can tell from
the relaxed geometry.

Yes, I guess you're right, it is basically not much more than a copy of Surly Steamroller.

...well, maybe some would consider the columbus thron steel
a step above standard 4130 cromoly (although thron is most
affordable of the columbus steels).

man, I thought that was perfect except for
a) Italian Threading
b) price.

THIS IS NOT A NEW TOMMASINI TRACK FRAME. This is a counterfeit frame and we have had constant battles with ebay to remove the seller. He is out of Switzerland - ebay seller name is Mozzy66 and he is NOT AFFILIATED with Tommasini in any way. Tommasini does not make a gorilla track frame. This guy has sold several frames claiming they are Tommasini but they are in fact fake and anyone who has owned a Tommasini before will be able to spot the poor quality of these track frames. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Another word on this guy in Europe (Mozzy66 on ebay / Thomas is his real name). We do not make any frames for him. Only the frames shown on our US website (www.ridetommasini.com) and our Italy website (www.tommasini.com) are real Tommasini frames. In addition, only real / authorized distributors of our products are listed on our Italian website. If this guys was in the USA we would have him locked up for fraud by now but unfortunately we can only try to educate our customers to recognize a fake and report him on ebay as we see his posts.

this is kinda spooky - i've seen mozzy put a lot of items up on the bay and almost pulled the trigger once on a Coppi frame that he had - others seem to have had no problem with his stuff...
Does this only apply to the Tommasini frames that he has or do you think the other frames are also fakes?

it makes me happy to see creators of amazing frames actually in the community. i think it goes to show why so many of us ride the tommasini brand. because they care. boo yah-kah sha!

I cannot speak for his other frames - only ours. Just be careful if you intend on purchasing from him - if it seems too good to be true it usually is.

Thanks - I try to be active as much as possible but the business does keep me busy. If you ever have a question on one of our frames please contact me.

I make that noise after I get kicked in the shins.

I too love seeing the business / manufacturer people on here. Having the folks from Brooks the other week in here, and the bikesdirect dude is always stopping by. Kind of makes all the nonsense worth it.

WOW that sucks! I followed the links above and they dont even have a "track" frame on either of their sites
(not complaining) but what a scam

You can read Mozzy's rather convincing response here in post #9 ......

https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/395231-tommasini-counterfeit-frame-warning.html

After reading that i almost believe the guy and think Tommasini USA is lying.

Well, it sounds to me like the Tommasini family sold the rights here in the US, and the guy who owns the name in the US is bummed that someone with European rights is selling them to the states via eBay, but I don't think that he can do anything about it. If that is the case, then there are better ways to deal with this than to defame him on an internet forum.

If Mozzy66's story checks out, than imagine that this will ultimately only be good for the Gorilla Tommasini frames, since it's going to increase awareness of them hundreds of times over. They look like great frames, and I considered buying one when I decided to get a my new steel road bike, before I landed on a Gunnar.

If they are in fact Tommasini produced frames I'd love to hear what Tommasini USA has to say about the 'poor quality' as they call it.

Ok, I started this thread because the Tommasini/Gorilla frameset looked slightly interesting to me. After reading the post from Thomas/Mozzy explaining the situation, I choose to believe him.

I really don't see a reason why anyone would go through all the hassle to counterfeit a steel frame and claim it's made by Tommasini. Wouldn't it make hundred times more sense to fake something fancier and more expensive, like a Cinelli Super Corsa Pista or something?

(EDIT Thanks, Ziemas)

Pretty much

We are supposed to recognize it's "poor quality"... but it looks really nice to me.

This is all very interesting to me. I hope to see that this gets cleared up somehow. I can see both sides of the story. As someone else said it does seem like a lot of trouble to fake a frame and if you are going to make a fake a more desirable name would seem to make sense. All that said I think the frames look awesome.

I haven't read all of the conversation between this mozzy guy and the Tommasini folks, so I am not saying that I think it is or isn't a counterfeit frame. Just think about it, though. If you list 10 fake Super Corsas, you'll have every Cinelli nut on eBay (which there are a lot of) nitpicking every incorrect detail. Choose a less known but still prestigious sounding brand and the only people likely to call it out as a fake are the people who make the authentic ones.

I especially like it when the Leader Bike guy stops in and acts all crazy.

I'd be riding one of the frames right now if he wasn't such a whack-job.

Everyone, do yourself a favor and go read the entire other thread. It's super drama at its best. You will probably feel that no way these are counterfeit frames. I do.