https://cgi.ebay.com/raleigh-internat...t_12882wt_1167

The lugs look right, but the curvature of the fork doesn't. But I don't really know much about Internationals. What do the the more knowledgeable among us think?

A thousand bucks for just the frame? That guy is insane.

And who in their right mind would repaint an International green instead of copper? What was he thinkng?

This seller is highly suspect. He is not a skilled or knowledgable restorer.

The fork on this one does look odd but it may be becuase of the amount of chrome showing?

Here's a tip. If you scroll through his feedback as a buyer you can usually find the auctions for these frames when he bought them. Sadly most of them look much better before his "restoration" work.

I'm in agreement with my C&V brethren on this one. However the seller sold a 59cm almost identical International on Ebay for $961! If you can sell one for that much, you gotta try again!

Here is (likely) that same frame a couple of months ago.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270444805975

I like this excerpt from the previous auction's description, too.

The threads on the fork have been chased so when you thread a headset cup on it is kinda loose,you also need to be sure to get it started straight. Frame looks to be straight as far as I can tell, has a couple very small dents in the top tube that should be easy to fill. All the braze ons have been removed.

Another typically slap-dash attempt at a so-called overdone "restoration" from this guy. Garbage.

It's an International frame, but the fork is off a 1974-76 Raleigh Gran Sport. Nothing above the Raleigh Competition (that is, the International and the Professional) was subjected to the kinked-fork treatment. The Competition and everything below however, are fair game.

-Kurt

The color is way off the chartreuse, the price is crazy high, and looking at the head-on picture, it looks like the frame is far off from being straight.

Wow, so people buy bikes on ebay, "fix them up," and then re-sell them on ebay? What a racket! There's a sucker born every minute, yes?

Apparently, this fellow feels he is adding exceptional value by painting. The finish looks ok, but...

Nope, this guy would not know how to put the braze-on's back on.

But if you go through his feedback you come across his buy of this one:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270445341228



Really sad if it's the same bike as it no way needed re-finishing. Fork looks right though.

The frame and fork look very much like 1972 or earlier (dogleg bend in fork blades, rear brake cable stop, wrap-over seat stays, Campy dropouts with eyelets, and rather crudely finished bottom bracket shell), the size is correct (24.5 inches), but the downtube and chainstay decals are 1976 and the paint is like nothing Raleigh ever put on an International.

By the way, Otis, the frame in question is definitely a 24.5, the one he bought is a 23.5, and the unfinished one is a 22.5. It's funny that the toptube on the 22.5 is the same as the 23.5 I used to ride.

The feedback record of this guy and his no returns policy together are a show stopper for me. If I really had a Jones for a Raleigh International I might offer $175. If the bike turned out OK, then good for me--if not, then it might be worth $175 just to leave bad feedback and never return his calls. His no-return policy already makes it pretty clear that he doesn't want to rectify a dissatisfied buyer's complaints.

That means he also re-decaled the frame with the different style decals.

You would think an eBay flipper would have enough sense to buy on a different ID than he sells on.

You want to bet? That thing is at least 2.5 centemeters shorter.

-Kurt

I'm not convinced. The refinished frame still looks a tad taller then the earlier purchase, and the dogleg not as pronounced.

-Kurt

Thank you, Kurt. I am surprised that it took that long for someone to notice the obvious size difference, i.e. not the same frame.

His previous listing of the current frameset ended for $479 with reserve not met so with Ebay math that means a new auction with a $1000 BIN price. item #120481894722.

That's cheap in comparison to the $2,000 he's asking for the hacked Paramount

https://cgi.ebay.com/schwinn-paramoun...3D10%26ps%3D63

-Kurt

Well, when he parted it out he sold the components as a lot for $472. No shipping as the buyer was only thirty miles away. He recovered his initial $$ outlay on the components. His profit resides in the frame. Sometimes I am so tempted to part out my vintage bikes.

Pretty crafty photos from the original seller - the forks don't appear as kinked as they do in the more recent photos.

Odd that they should be kinked on an International as well. What surprises me is that they don't seem to be Campag drops either (and if they are, they've been fitted sloppily), which would suggest they might have been destined for a Gran Sport initially - with the frequent parts substitutions Raleigh was known for, I wouldn't be surprised.

-Kurt

Well, the new paint job sure looks nice. The price is outrageous.

Yup! I just took a careful look at some pictures of a 1973 Raleigh International that I picked up this Spring for twenty dollars. In my opinion, the bike you have sent pictures of is indeed a Raleigh International. That said, keep in mind that I am not an expert but I do like Internationals.



As for the asking price - NOPE! Wayyyyy too much in today's market. But two years from now, that will come close to the going rate. My opinion of course, not a statement that you can make money on. I should add that I sold the pictured frame set for $400.00 USD.

Looks like an International. Over the years the fork rake evolved from the gentle arc at the end of the fork to that sharper bend higher up.

Yeah, but a good paint job and decals can run $650. and up...

Except that it is supposed that the base frameset used is a pre-'73 example (though I concur - the fork rakes became worse into '77).

-Kurt

Understood, but good luck finding someone willing to pay that. The seller has a distorted expectation.