Originally Posted by Gaarci

As far as the quality of the wheels themselves, bottom line - there's no real difference between the Wabi and the State. Both come with solid quality, if generic, aluminum alloy 700c wheels with sealed bearing hubs and laced with good quality spokes. The wheels on both bikes came true right out of the box and didn't have to be adjusted or modified at all. Both have flip flop hubs. You could change the wheels from one bike to the other and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. They are basically the same dependable but forgettable generic 700c alloy wheels that come on pretty much all quality fixies that you can buy now, which is probably a really good thing. Now, the 28mm tires on the Wabi vs. the 25mm tires on the State are definitely something that you can tell a difference on during the ride and when looking at the bike. I personally like the 25mm ride on the State better because it's a more agile and light feeling then the Wabi's ride, but I'm sure you could change the tires from the State out and put them on the Wabi's wheels and get the same feeling on the Wabi. Both come with good quality front and rear rim brakes that have good stopping power. So there's basically no difference between the State 4031 and the Wabi Classic wheels that I could tell. The big difference between the bikes is the fancy boutique Reynolds 725 double butted CroMoly steel frame on the Wabi vs. the generic 4031 double butted CroMoly steel frame on the State. The Wabi frame has thinner walls which I think accounts for the 2 lbs lighter weight which is probably why the Wabi costs twice as much as the State. I think both are made in Taiwan and probably at the same factory like all the Treks and Specialized and every other bike is today. Most of the components between the bikes are pretty much the same forgettable but good quality components that these companies get from Taiwan - that includes the wheels. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by IAmSam

You make me miss the good ol' days back when anyone who posted so many complimentary comments about a non-group approved brand was immediately shouted down as a shill

Originally Posted by TimothyH

The Bianchi Pista is the finest bike ever produced. There is nothing better.


-Tim-

Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie

Wabi pricing was pretty reasonable until the company was sold to a bunch of clueless Tulsa Okies. Then the prices skyrocketed, and they are now a bit expensive IMHO. I own an old Wabi Lightning with the aluminum scandium frame, and have changed just about every component except the wheels. Basically, the components are about the same quality level that you'd find on something like a Kilo TT Pro, which also has a nice Taiwanese Reynolds 520 steel frameset and sells for under $500.

Originally Posted by jay4usc

Tejano which bike would you recommend to someone who rides about 80 miles a week on single speed and rides are mostly in the riverbed and the beach area. I never ride fixie and I ride for exercise, rarely any street commuting. I’m leaning towards Wabi but I’m having second thoughts.

Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie

So, are you riding on unpaved or soft surfaces ? If so, I'd want something with wide tires that I could inflate to a low pressure. For example, a All City Big Block might suit your purposes.



It has a steel frame with a special rust protective coating on the inside and outside of the frame. The cost is about the same as a Wabi Classic.

Originally Posted by jay4usc

All paved road. Is the quality similar to a wabi? Thanks

Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie

I'd say the frame quality is just as good, although the steel is not as exotic and the frame is probably heavier. The components are definitely as good if not better than the Wabi.