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Seeking Advice on Deep Carbon SS/FG Wheelset

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Old 10-20-17, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by seau grateau
Also, if you've seen rims that have what you want, I'd recommend buying those and having them laced to applicable hubs. SS/FG carbon wheels will pretty much never have an aluminum brake track because the only common application for carbon wheels on SS/FG bikes is brakeless track/crit racing.
Yeah, just can't find a zipp or hed rim alone (models with the alum track). Not sure what other options there are.

I understand the carbon track wheels for brakeless fixed gear but it was just wishful thinking that they would have something for SS.

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BTW, I have carbon clinchers on one of my fixed gear road bikes with a front brake, and it has yet to explode. Just sayin’.
Which wheelset if you don't mind sharing?
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Originally Posted by seau grateau
If you're not doing high-speed mountain descents, I wouldn't worry about overcooking your rims.
There are some hills where I can pick up some good speed and I'd have more peace of mind if I didn't have to worry about blowing my tire [as much]
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Originally Posted by kreative
Which wheelset if you don't mind sharing?
They are Heavy Pedal and can be custom ordered with either a machined or non-machined braking surface. I’m not sure if they are available anymore, however.
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
BTW, I have carbon clinchers on one of my fixed gear road bikes with a front brake, and it has yet to explode. Just sayin’.
I have several sets of carbon clinchers, and have never cooked them either, but I have seen the heat damage on several customer's wheelsets. Most of the damage is on low-end/generic/open mold/Chinese hoops, but I've seen a few Zipp & Enve hoops with heat damaged brake tracks.

Usually the damage is caused from dragging the brakes on long descents.
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CLEARLY you aren't thinking in the 4th dimension. If you formulate the lateral stability of the resins melting point, the outcome can be defined in chemical breakdown of the tubular glue in a negative pressure environment. From this we can conclude that decades of research that you have completed on your own can be plugged into a data nodes of road races on carbon rims and speeds of up to 60mph. When you do the long division of these calculations, we can conclude that the answer is.. Its possible.



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OK, whatever. Having raced for decades in mountainous road races with descents up to 60 mph with carbon rims, I never had them heat up to the point of the resin melting. Had they gotten that hot, no doubt the tubular tire glue would have liquified first. But maybe I live in a different universe than you do.
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Originally Posted by Unkle Rico
CLEARLY you aren't thinking in the 4th dimension. If you formulate the lateral stability of the resins melting point, the outcome can be defined in chemical breakdown of the tubular glue in a negative pressure environment. From this we can conclude that decades of research that you have completed on your own can be plugged into a data nodes of road races on carbon rims and speeds of up to 60mph. When you do the long division of these calculations, we can conclude that the answer is.. Its possible.

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The fibers don't melt, but the resin that holds the fibers together does melt.

200 mph... CF rotors and pads... constant repetition for 45 minutes...



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200 mph... CF rotors and pads... constant repetition for 45 minutes...



Are you actually trying to deny that braking heat can damage carbon clinchers?
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Are you actually trying to deny that braking heat can damage carbon clinchers?

My comment was in response to the statement that the resin melts.

Things become softer when heated. Friction does greater damage when things are softer.

CF bicycle wheels don't get hot enough to "Melt".

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Can we talk about bicycle tire tread patterns and hydroplaning next?
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
No. My comment has nothing to do with bicycle wheels, bicycle tire pressures, tubular glue, warped brake tracks, or anything else bicycle related.

My comment was in response to the statement that the resin melts.
"Melts" was a poor word choice, but if you believe that excessive braking heat cannot cause damage to the brake track/tire hook of carbon clinchers, you are wrong. Proper braking technique usually won't cause a problem, but dragging the brakes on long descents can definitely cause the brake track of carbon clinchers to deform.

I'm not anti-carbon clincher by any means(I have several carbon clincher wheelsets), just pointing out a potential problem.

FTR, I work for a carbon fiber frame-builder that also does a ton of frame repairs. Nearly every day we receive calls about repairs of carbon clinchers damaged from braking heat.
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Can we talk about bicycle tire tread patterns and hydroplaning next?
I’d rather talk about chain lubrication.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
"Melts" was a poor word choice,
Indeed.

but if you believe that excessive braking heat cannot cause damage to the brake track/tire hook of carbon clinchers, you are wrong.
Where did I say this?
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I can certainly type up my in depth scientific knowledge on all 3 of those subjects if you guys want.
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Where did I say this?


Where did I say, that you said that?
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Originally Posted by Unkle Rico
I can certainly type up my in depth scientific knowledge on all 3 of those subjects if you guys want.
Sounds like you already did.
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I hate CF bikes
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Not about tire tread, hydroplaning or chain lube though.



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Sounds like you already did.
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