Why toe clips?
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Originally Posted by jrowedc
DocJ, it's not at all about culture, but rather about what is practical. I came to fixed gear from road bikes, and I ride track bikes for training as much as for transportation. And whether training or riding in the city, I love being able to walk in street shoes. I also love the way nice clips and straps feel. Yes, they are expensive, but then so are the very best clipless systems (even more so when you take into account the shoes required).
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clipped in trackstands on freewheeled bikes are easy once you learn on a fixed-gear...
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If a person happens to crash with clipless pedals, they will simply pop out without even trying.
If a person happens to crash with clips & straps, there is a greater chance of body and bike entanglement and extra injury.
If I go down, I don't want the bike anywhere near me; I don't want my feet bound tightly into kinked straps and all tangled up with my legs in the air as I grind along on my shoulder and face. I'd rather pop out cleanly with a simple twist of the ankle, I always have the option of deciding to twist the ankle for a predictible release, but maybe my twisting crashing body causes my feet to pop out mid-crash without even trying.
To me, clipless is safer.
Look at this guy's left foot still stuck in the clips and straps, he's about to destroy himself....
Einstein rode platforms with dress shoes:
If a person happens to crash with clips & straps, there is a greater chance of body and bike entanglement and extra injury.
If I go down, I don't want the bike anywhere near me; I don't want my feet bound tightly into kinked straps and all tangled up with my legs in the air as I grind along on my shoulder and face. I'd rather pop out cleanly with a simple twist of the ankle, I always have the option of deciding to twist the ankle for a predictible release, but maybe my twisting crashing body causes my feet to pop out mid-crash without even trying.
To me, clipless is safer.
Look at this guy's left foot still stuck in the clips and straps, he's about to destroy himself....
Einstein rode platforms with dress shoes:
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The whole power transfer thing is true when using walking shoes.
However, I have some duegi touring shoes and some duegis with the clip and strap cleat. THe touring ones have superstiff sole with no cleat and are great everyday riding shoes. THe ones with the cleat are as stiff as any clipless shoe and with the cleat plus the strap I have equal if not better power transfer as with clipless. Many track riders still use straps and clips with cleats since there is almost no chance of unlipping. For those of you who have road shoes. yellowjersey.org sells a cleat that can be mounted on any modern clipless road shoe that will engage with your clip and strap pedal. Works great and really really locks you in.
Welcome to the club Judah!
However, I have some duegi touring shoes and some duegis with the clip and strap cleat. THe touring ones have superstiff sole with no cleat and are great everyday riding shoes. THe ones with the cleat are as stiff as any clipless shoe and with the cleat plus the strap I have equal if not better power transfer as with clipless. Many track riders still use straps and clips with cleats since there is almost no chance of unlipping. For those of you who have road shoes. yellowjersey.org sells a cleat that can be mounted on any modern clipless road shoe that will engage with your clip and strap pedal. Works great and really really locks you in.
Welcome to the club Judah!
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Originally Posted by Applehead57
Uh, yeah. I thought you were making fun of me at first.
Now I know you're one of us.
Clips are cheap, and work well for specific uses.
I would never use clipless on my mountain bike, much to slow to unclip.
My trails are full of tree roots & rocks, I need to have my feet available instantly.
Now I know you're one of us.
Clips are cheap, and work well for specific uses.
I would never use clipless on my mountain bike, much to slow to unclip.
My trails are full of tree roots & rocks, I need to have my feet available instantly.
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I have too many bikes to worry about putting matching pedals on them, or swapping pedals out when people come to visit. Can't go wrong with clips and straps. The one bike that sees mostly loaner duty just has a pair of bmx platforms.
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Originally Posted by Jose R
Re: "practicality"
I know many people who have a pair of work/office shoes in their office/work place. And the vast majority of these people don't ride a bike to work. They have either sneakers or walking/street shoes they use outside of the workplace and switch when they get to work. It really isn't that hard people. It takes less than a minute to change shoes. And many of these people carry their shoes with them... Yes, shocking isn't it. And these people don't suffer the insecurities that seem to befall the fix community.
I know many people who have a pair of work/office shoes in their office/work place. And the vast majority of these people don't ride a bike to work. They have either sneakers or walking/street shoes they use outside of the workplace and switch when they get to work. It really isn't that hard people. It takes less than a minute to change shoes. And many of these people carry their shoes with them... Yes, shocking isn't it. And these people don't suffer the insecurities that seem to befall the fix community.
Originally Posted by Jose R
I will concede though, for just bar-hopping and riding around town, using regular shoes is a plus.
My only regret is that the next time I ride to the grocery store or the bar, someone might pass me because they have the luxury of more power transfer due to their clipless pedals.
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Originally Posted by jim-bob
I have too many bikes to worry about putting matching pedals on them, or swapping pedals out when people come to visit. Can't go wrong with clips and straps. The one bike that sees mostly loaner duty just has a pair of bmx platforms.
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I usually have one bike with clips, one bike with clipless both no handbrakes. Courier on the clipless since it's quick and easy to just step on the pedals and be 'in'. Also don't wear out my other shoes riding in the rain/hail/sleet/snow/sun. Clipless for any other time since I really don't like walking in shops/markets,etc. with cycling shoes on, even if the cleats are recessed in my MTB shoes.
Now, since my workbike was stolen I'm in clips and straps all the time. I've pulled out of them more than with clipless, you can't just step straight into them 100% of the time, so there's a few rev's of not being secure. I also broke one of my clips today, luckily I use double straps so I could still manage to hobble along the rest of the day.
When riding really hard, I much prefer clipless.
Now, since my workbike was stolen I'm in clips and straps all the time. I've pulled out of them more than with clipless, you can't just step straight into them 100% of the time, so there's a few rev's of not being secure. I also broke one of my clips today, luckily I use double straps so I could still manage to hobble along the rest of the day.
When riding really hard, I much prefer clipless.
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Originally Posted by shot
If a person happens to crash with clipless pedals, they will simply pop out without even trying.
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Originally Posted by redfooj
untrue
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Originally Posted by stevo
i'll agree to an advantage in climbing, but good pedal spin/stroke can be accomplished through proper technique over purchased devices....
I still manage to hit 150+ rpms on a down hill at speeds approaching 40 mph.
It's all about spinning circles and leg speed for me.
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Originally Posted by stronzo
happened to me the two times i crashed with eggbeaters. i was amazed.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Shadow
True, almost all of my fixie riding is done on platform pedals.
I still manage to hit 150+ rpms on a down hill at speeds approaching 40 mph.
It's all about spinning circles and leg speed for me.
I still manage to hit 150+ rpms on a down hill at speeds approaching 40 mph.
It's all about spinning circles and leg speed for me.
If I do something besides platforms it will be eggbeaters.
Kaz