yeah, i was thinking of the lotus. i typically ride the same size and it fits me ok. i'm still at mike's i think i'll be there for a good long while, too. it's a great place..but if i didn't work there, it'd probably weird me out too. thing is, it looks super yuppie, but everyone who works there commutes to work, is super into bikes, and rides a ton on their off days. and most people there ride some sort of steel SS for commuting. we were all pretty bummed when we stopped stocking steel bikes (still have a few guru new steel roadies hanging around, but when they're gone, that's it). drop me a PM if you're interested in the lotus, i'd be willing to strike a deal to help out a fellow short guy.

thanks, that was what i thought and makes sense. now back to the main meat of the thread
Al

How would a converted TT or Crit frame compare with a dedicated track frame? It might be less expensive than a NJS frame, and will it have better or equal all day ride ability? just a though

dammit, i want a debernardi. now that i've heard it's 550 for a frame, instead of more...well, i guess that's my next purchase. forget going to europe this summer or a new guitar amp or whatever.

i hate you guys.

cause track bikes are ****ing hawt!

Now, now, lets not get too emotional.
Al

*runs from room, crying*

on a similar note terraferma in florida will build you a custom lugged frame starting at $625 ish.
fork included.

try finding a used schwinn madison, miyata, or centurion track frame. they are lugged and non-NJS, so way cheaper. madisons pop up on ebay every now and then. but beware of frames that are used velodrome rental-bikes; they more than likely have been crashed.