i'm trying to keep myself from starting a massive njs addiction. the frames are beautiful, but i really don't need anything that awesome and valuable.

what i need is a frame that i don't mind beating up, a daily commuter, a long distance rider. IRO, KHS, Bianchi, Soma, Bareknuckle are all good candidates.

as far as i know, none of these are lugged. does anyone these days make an affordable lugged track frame?

i've looked into this.

debernardi is the cheapest, about $550 i believe.

if you have a japanese friend go e-framebank. it's what i was planning to do. njs frames for what their actually worth

Curious (not disagreeing) why you want a track frame? I started a similar request for a road oriented frame and got some good ideas:
https://www.bikeforums.net/singlespeed-fixed-gear/167371-suggestions-2nd-fixed-road-bike-frame.html

I've never riden a track frame so I don't know what I'm missing or not.

Al

keirin or bust.

debernardis you can get for 450...

Lugs or no, I'd go Bareknuckle/Nessuno over DeBernardi any day of the week. Price/performance-wise, it seems like a pretty solid way to go.

i've already got a road conversion and a pursuit bike. i'm thinking a track frame with "normal" geometry will be a good in-between.

but yah, maybe i should consider another conversion....

bankruptcy or bust.

Oh come now - a little more debt is good for everyone. </moron>

i actually _do_ have a friend in japan currently. is ordering from e-framebank as easy as ordering from amazon?

ha. you'll need to have that person do the transaction. they need to know some japanese. e-framebank will not be happy at all if they know that it's destined for immediate export.

One of us needs to go over and start an export business for Japanese track frames. Seriously...for the greater good of all.

strattond of ebay fame is ahead of us already...

I just bought a EAI/Bareknuckle/Nessuno to replace the steel lugged frame in this attatchment. Why? The frame you see is too big for me. It's a squareish 58 c2c, tight true track geometry with a campy headset and bb. It will be on the ebay chopping block soon, so check it out and bid high!

and to repeat what i said in the below-referenced thread, Kogswell is a good lugged value.

I dunno if it's trackish enough. Commuter, long distance, beater, yeah.

You'd think I own one, but I just gaze dreamily at the web site. I wish I owned one. Someday...

I was going to say kogswell...seems like a good deal and I think they're great eye candy

what size?

Someone should make stick-on faux lugs to go over tigged frames. Hmmmmmm.

i just laughed out loud.

then my boss looked at me funny.

yes, i've considered Kosgwell as well. checking out the site just now... looks like the Model G only comes in 2 sizes? neither of which will fit me.

but yeah, might not be trackish enough for me. don't need the fender and tire clearance (already have a rainy fixie), don't need the water bottle mounts...

50-51cm, i think. were you thinking of the lotus?

how's Mike's Bikes treating you? are you still there? the place weirds me out a little bit...

Try getting in touch with Andante bikes from Florida... their website has been down for months, but they used to offer an "econo" model, lugged track frame for around $400 or so. Jose R had one made that was messed up which is now in the hands of a friend of mine. Aside from the subtle manufacturing defect, it looks really nice.

I love it how the Google ads (for us non-paying members) give links for Soma tabs.

Without starting an emotional discussion, can someone objectively explain to me why one would want a track geometry for road use, especially longer distance road use? I want to learn as I am in the long haul for deciding on a new fixed gear frame. I don't have an opportunity to ride such a frame as all the built up ones round here are far from my size.

Al

some people just prefer the way they handle and can be perfectly comfortable on such a bike. there's nothing really inappropriate about a track frame on the road. there are some setups that can be impractical for longer rides, like a huge saddle-to-stem drop (esp accompanied by naked deep drop track bars). but whatever.

There are people doing that already, or are about to start. But I will not agree that it is something that is in the greater interest/good of all, esp for the Japanese home market racers. But who am I to throw stones...

IMHO, what we need are more quality track frame makers in the US , without a 40 month waiting list