Get pepper spay. Mace is a chemical and may be ineffective on people under the incluence of drugs or alchohol, pepper spray is an irritant and will work on drunks.

Yea we're human up here alright. I wonder how he would have liked being head butt with a helmet? I slapped the mirror off the last car that turned on me, but the altercations have tended to be verbal thank goodness. You gotta be ready for a smack down if ahole gets outta the car. So be prepared or BE GONE!!!!!

the guy is a turd for throwing garbage on the street, BUT he didn't throw the garbage at her, so why the hell did she go out of her way to pick up the garbage and throw it at him. everyone seems to be on the cyclist side but it looks to me like she assaulted him first.

I'm all for smashing, keying, breaking mirrors, windshields etc....... but only when a motorist tries to kill or hurt me first.
I was a messenger in Toronto and i've had motorists spit at me, side swipe me, and try to run me off the road in busses, now thats a reason to be pissed.
I see someone throwing garbage, hey your a jerk this a clean city we don't appreciate that. but i'm not gonna risk getting into a fight over it.

If I witnessed a toss? I'd just call him an ******* and ride on. Maybe she's a litter freak.....

this may have been pointed out before but i don't think either persons being a driver or a cyclist has any relevance to the story -- that they are biases and polarizes our views & discussion.

objectively, both may or may not have thrown the trash at eachother directly, if so, then they both could be deemed guilty of assault right then; but there's no photo evidence of the first couple of exchanges.

however, there is CLEARLY the contents of an entire cup of coffee all over bag and jacket & then of him damaging her property & then of him being restrained by at least 3 guys. and then here she is out of the melee.. so it's apparent he's the one exhibiting the most aggressive behavior.
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anyone think there is a good chance the coffee might not have even been hot? i think it's f*cked because it's a dude going after a woman but that's it. if it was a woman driver it would be all completely justified. the messenger never should've thrown the garbage which started everything.

Remember, kids -- to win without fighting is best.

- don't escalate. If some ****bag throws litter out his window, let it go, or take down his info (plate #, description) and call the cops. It's not your job to police the streets.

- if you are assaulted, take down info and get the hell out of there.

- if you are forced to fight, use the best weapon you have on hand and go for

• Face
• Neck
• Groin

As hard as you can, until they aren't fighting back any more. As slvoid suggested, call for help as you are fighting back. This will reinforce your claim to self-defense. Afterwards, get contact info from at least a couple of witnesses, as this might well end up in court.

Or just get out of there as soon as you can.

Remember that you're from warm sunny Florida. It's probably around -5 degrees (Celsius) in Toronto (actually judging from the pictures it looks a little warming than that, maybe somewhere around 0). I'd almost rather have hot coffee thrown on me than cold coffee in that weather. (Although hot water freezes faster...)

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still think this looks like anal **** 101

I think from lookin at his facial expressions in the pics..... the switch has gone in his head. The look of reason simply ain't there. She's lucky it went down this way I think.

I'd suggest leaving the face alone. A good way to get an infected hand or broken knuckle if you're not an expert. A good ankle stomp on the inner ankle is always an nice addition.

Thats what my Kyokushinkai Karate is for.....lol.
One blow..... he's winded and not gettin up for a couple minutes.

If this is in Toronto, why didn't the messenger pull the a-hole's jacket over his head to tie his arms up, then start rapidly punching him in the face until the refs showed up to break up the fight? Seems to work in hockey.

BTW, I'd stay away from a fight, even in Toronto. Apparently, Toronto's having a lot of problems w/ gun violence right now so you never know who's packin' heat. Plus, the a-hole had a bat in the trunk of his car. Either he's playing winter league ball or he carries it for just these kinds of situations.

OMG, that would have been amazing.

i dunno, a good solid blow with the edge of your hand, right between the eyes will stun someone long enough to get a few extra blows in. same thing on the temple can knock a person out. do it too hard, though, and it'll kill them. but i think that takes some extra force.

i also like the "headbutt with a helmet" idea. smash your hardened head into the *******'s face. right in the nose.

but never throw the first blow and get the attention of others. that seems higly reasonable.

Ah just poke on the end of the nose will bring tears to the eyes and the hands up, allowing you you're out. A knuckle to the area just in between the nose and the lip will send a bolt of excruciating pain to your assailant with no permanent damage. Stars will jump around in the brain. My daughter can do it.

on mace/pepper spray:
just make sure you're upwind of it.

[i speak from experience. and it's only funny afterwards]

fsnl
sparky

^^^LOL^^^^
I can imagine

i'm gonna remember that nose and lip thing.

It's easy just push it against your own nose lip area and you can feel it ....there's a big nerve that runs in between the front teeth that just screams when hit. Trying to get in between the eyes gets alot of broken knuckles on the forehead. Unless you practice.....

hey don't you work at the U.N.?

there's also the knuckle to the esophagus, the eye-poke (four fingers), the neck chop to carotid artery, and my favorite, the uppercut (outer) palm to the chin - snapping the head back, and possibly shattering teeth. gotta love self-defense techniques.

but really, be careful in any fight. your first defense should always be to escape.

Hey MSngr.... how you feeling? Did you get that link I put in messenger down thread?

Jesus man I'm not teachin' cut and kill techniques....lol

tie domi messenger service?
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