Im gonna be picking up a new frame in the next month here and have it narrowed down to the Bare Knuckle which is Dedacciai, the IRO Angus reynolds 631 and the Soma Rush which was reynolds but is now apparently changing to Tange Prestige. I know these three have been compared with eachother before but was just lookin for some fresh opnions. How does the tange compare with the 631 and Deda. For that matter how does the Deda stack up i haven't really been able to find much info about it especially weight wise. Thanks for the help. Cheers. Oh and by the way im leaning towards the Knuckle at this point.

interesting...I though tange went out of business/ no longer made tubing?

I have a mtb frame that I like, built out of tange mtb tubing, IIRC. [early 90s bridgestone mtb].

I've got a kona mtb built out of tange prestige, and it's a hell of a nice ride.

Honestly, I don't think tubing matters nearly as much as the guy welding it together, though.

and now that the Rush is tange' , its like $200. for the frame kewl!

I got my soma frame and fork separately, the fork is tange, and the frame is 631. Dunno if they were different production years, or if the forks were always tange.

Tubeset issues are tricky, because there are lots of different 631 tubesets with different thicknesses, but all 631. I'd imagine that the same goes for tange and decaddi

i had my road bike frame made from tangeII (before prestige). it's so nice and it's been 10 years and still glowing.

Where have you found the rush for $200?

sounds like the price is staying the same
"For 2006, we will begin switching to Tange Prestige CrMo. Tange Prestige does not have the thermophilic properties of Reynolds 631, but overall its tubes are stronger – thanks to Tange's heat-treatment process. Old farts need no explaination of how nice Tange Prestige is; for the youngins' let say it is in the same league as Reynolds 725. In all respects, this is an upgrade, but we will be keeping the price almost the same as 2004 and 2005, because we all know how you feel about a good deal. "
https://www.somafab.com/somanews.html

not telling

if the $200 rush is probably from some dealer theyre probably getting rid of the old reynolds frames and switching to the tange.

its the new pake.

itz all made in china anyway,so......

What the hell are you talking about? You make -sense.

like your gonna really feel a diff bet reynolds and tange'

also anybody have any pics of the bareknuckle in pink. I've only been able to find the little ones from the yojimbo's website. Thanks Cheers.

Pake, Rush's kid brother, is made by Tange. Not sure where it fits in the jargosphere, but it's a nice frame, at least for running around town.

what are the main differences' between the rush and pake?

Pake is cheaper and heavier - no double butting, air hardening, or whatever. Soma "makes" it, but doesn't seem to promote it as their brand.

Tubing. Pake uses 4130 (straight gauge) cro-mo. Tough, but heavier. Rush used 631, and now this.

Also, I don't think pake makes forks.

Online shops that sell the pake offer the rush fork with it. Probably a good match, since they reputedly have the same geometry.

Chandler? I thought he was dead.

No.

Bareknuckle

pink bearnuckle? thatz got to look hot!

pake is straight gauge? eeeeeeeeeeeeeew.
they must be heavy as shiat.