Illmatic Panasonic
11-18-07 | 10:43 PM
#176
prolly is not probably
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: brooklyn | NYC
You make a lot of assumptions and you don't know me. What exactly is your problem with my critique? I grew up skating and hate to see all those old graphics I loved being poorly ripped off. And doesn't all this 'streetwear' stuff cost a fortune anyway? Like $30 t-shirts, $50 hoodies. Oh the irony.
Your argument for re-appropriated design was a little tired though. Especially since MOST the **** we see now-a-days is re-appropriated.
I grew up surfing and skating and personally, I like the nostalgic sensibility behind these shirts.
$30 tshirts and $120 hoodies too dude...
And yes, Streetwear has gotten dumb. Mostly because any kid now with some money thinks they can design ****. I am only loyal to a few brands and Gentei is one of them.
Mishka, Flying Coffin, Actual Pain and Vans are about all I'll wear anymore.
11-18-07 | 10:44 PM
#177
prolly is not probably
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,117
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From: brooklyn | NYC
Jesus. That "fixed-gear army" hoodie is the absolute wackest thing I've ever seen - What self-respecting fixed rider would ride around with "skid and destroy" written in an XTREME FONT on the back of an ugly pink hoodie? (Or really, who would at all?). Ridiculousness aside, it's also just bad fashion.
11-19-07 | 09:21 AM
#182
i read this at work
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 334
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From: LI, New York
Bikes: IRO BFSSFG group buy, 2007 tommaso trascinare road
you still never answered if you download music. your whole argument seems pretty weak if you do
11-19-07 | 09:24 AM
#183
some dude
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 797
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From: NYC
i did an image search for jason lee burger king. i loved that deck. but i loved the gonz mac and cheese one more:
This page has a ton of old decks.
www.ukoldschool.dsl.pipex.com/ collection.htm
This page has a ton of old decks.
www.ukoldschool.dsl.pipex.com/ collection.htm
11-19-07 | 09:30 AM
#184
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 849
Likes: 1
From: Philadelphia
Bikes: 1985 Pinarello Catena Lusso / 1983 Pinarello Montello / Raleigh Marathon / Camel Cigarettes conversion / 1957 Worksman cruiser / Puch 140 / Raleigh Grand Prix
11-19-07 | 10:26 AM
#186
B.C. to D.C.
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 576
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From: between the Popeye's, the liquor store, the funeral home, and the strip club
Bikes: 1992 Miyata Nine 14; 1971 Raleigh Super Course fixie conversion; 2006 Jamis Nova (853 version); 2001 Diamondback Topanga (SS conversion); 1956 Rudge Sports; 1971 Raleigh Competition (processing); 199? Schwinn World Sport (processing)
appropriation: where do you draw the line?
[picture of minor threat ripoff poster by nike skate--not showing up for some reason]
[picture of minor threat ripoff poster by nike skate--not showing up for some reason]
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11-19-07 | 11:52 AM
#187
i read this at work
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 334
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From: LI, New York
Bikes: IRO BFSSFG group buy, 2007 tommaso trascinare road
i know what branding means. maybe they are not related but the idea is similar. an image created by someone is ripped off without permission. music is created by someone is ripped off without permission.
11-19-07 | 04:06 PM
#192
I think they're both wrong in one way or another, but very different.
If you download commercial music and don't pay, and would have paid otherwise, that's using a service without giving the creators what they asked for. That's bad, but in a bottom-feeder 'buck stops here' way.
If you take someone else's logo, tweak it and resell it, you're doing two things... making money off of their idea, and polluting their brand. It's gone from scavenging to being outright parasitic in a way that can actively roll back and hurt the creators. It's gone from a passive action to an active one.
See what I mean?
11-19-07 | 05:34 PM
#194
i read this at work
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 334
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From: LI, New York
Bikes: IRO BFSSFG group buy, 2007 tommaso trascinare road
Sorry about my tone last post. I should be less rude.
I think they're both wrong in one way or another, but very different.
If you download commercial music and don't pay, and would have paid otherwise, that's using a service without giving the creators what they asked for. That's bad, but in a bottom-feeder 'buck stops here' way.
If you take someone else's logo, tweak it and resell it, you're doing two things... making money off of their idea, and polluting their brand. It's gone from scavenging to being outright parasitic in a way that can actively roll back and hurt the creators. It's gone from a passive action to an active one.
See what I mean?
I think they're both wrong in one way or another, but very different.
If you download commercial music and don't pay, and would have paid otherwise, that's using a service without giving the creators what they asked for. That's bad, but in a bottom-feeder 'buck stops here' way.
If you take someone else's logo, tweak it and resell it, you're doing two things... making money off of their idea, and polluting their brand. It's gone from scavenging to being outright parasitic in a way that can actively roll back and hurt the creators. It's gone from a passive action to an active one.
See what I mean?
11-19-07 | 06:09 PM
#195
via hiptop
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 321
Likes: 0
From: youngstown, oh
Bikes: wooden lightning, cyclepro conversion, varsity beater, nishiki conversion, fuji conversion
I know the story on the first bike. It was built from parts laying around the shop. It wasn't a show piece.
It's funny. This shop is bringing hard to find parts from JP and making it available in a store where you can just walk in and get it plus they are making clothes and gear FOR YOU (whether you like it or not) and you are hating on them.
If you don't like it, why don't you call/email them suggestions on how to make it better instead of spitting on it. You know, it could be worse. No one would care to import or design fixed/track products then you'd b1tch about that: "Why doesn't someone make stuff for us?"
It's funny. This shop is bringing hard to find parts from JP and making it available in a store where you can just walk in and get it plus they are making clothes and gear FOR YOU (whether you like it or not) and you are hating on them.
If you don't like it, why don't you call/email them suggestions on how to make it better instead of spitting on it. You know, it could be worse. No one would care to import or design fixed/track products then you'd b1tch about that: "Why doesn't someone make stuff for us?"
11-20-07 | 01:34 AM
#197
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 182
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Yeah dude. I don't know you. My bad for firing that **** off after too many beers with dinner...
Your argument for re-appropriated design was a little tired though. Especially since MOST the **** we see now-a-days is re-appropriated.
I grew up surfing and skating and personally, I like the nostalgic sensibility behind these shirts.
$30 tshirts and $120 hoodies too dude...
And yes, Streetwear has gotten dumb. Mostly because any kid now with some money thinks they can design ****. I am only loyal to a few brands and Gentei is one of them.
Mishka, Flying Coffin, Actual Pain and Vans are about all I'll wear anymore.
Your argument for re-appropriated design was a little tired though. Especially since MOST the **** we see now-a-days is re-appropriated.
I grew up surfing and skating and personally, I like the nostalgic sensibility behind these shirts.
$30 tshirts and $120 hoodies too dude...
And yes, Streetwear has gotten dumb. Mostly because any kid now with some money thinks they can design ****. I am only loyal to a few brands and Gentei is one of them.
Mishka, Flying Coffin, Actual Pain and Vans are about all I'll wear anymore.
^ im still geeked on how huge (cult following-wise) Flying Coffin has become. not many people know this, but the dude behind it is from Hawaii. good friend of mine, even. rad for FC.
11-20-07 | 01:39 AM
#198
(((Fully Awake)))
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: ~Serenading with sensous soliloquies whilst singing supple sentences that are simultaneously suppling my sonnets with serenity serendipitously.~ -Serendipper
Bikes: Guerciotti Pista-Giant Carbon-Bridgestone300- Batavus Type Champion Road Bike, Specialized Hardrock Commuter, On-One The Gimp (SS Rigid MTB/hit by a truck)- Raleigh Sports 3-speed,Gatsby Scorcher, comming soon...The Penny Farthing Highwheel!
trackasourus rex duh
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11-20-07 | 09:51 AM
#199
prolly is not probably
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: brooklyn | NYC
11-20-07 | 10:11 AM
#200
Run What 'Ya Brung
Joined: Jun 2006
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johnprolly, my respect for you waxes and wanes with every thread. Sometimes your polite and succinct, and other times, you're a rude, raving idiot blindly defending your rampant consumerism.
Either be a dutret, or be a doofo, but you can't be both.
Either be a dutret, or be a doofo, but you can't be both.