fatbat

This is incorrect- isotopes have distinct masses, and the mass spectroscopy determines the isotope ratio present in the testosterone itself by looking at the precise mass of the testosterone molecules.

Got to agree- this is the worst. I really, really wanted the whiskey defense to be true.

eurotrash666

the human body does not make its own carbon. we use the carbon we ingest. we don't normally consume heavy carbon, but what if... the cortisone was metabolically converted or something else... it's plausible. maybe i'm just holding on too tightly.

LóFarkas

*announcement*

This is now officially the "F U C K Floyd Landis" thread

His B sample came back positive, Phonak sacked him, he's already hired Hamilton's lawyer... All going to plan, really.

But then he says: "I was the strongest man in the Tour de France, and that is why I am the champion." That is obviously false. He could only claw back those 5 minutes on the weird and wonderful stage 17 because

1) The other teams (who was in #1? Sio or Sastre? That team) didn't take him seriously enough early on. Had they been pushing to catch him on the last 100k, and not the last 60, Landis would probably have not finished in the top 10, and he definitely wouldn't have won. And then he may go ahead and win the TT two days later... to ensure 5th place.
It was a simple tactical mistake, and everyone who knows a ****ing thing about cycling knows that. He got lucky just like Oscar Pereiro Sio. Difference is, OPS said afterwards "thank you to the teams who allowed me to get back into contention" while FL says "I was the best". What a disgusting fool.

2) He was doped, which explains why the others underestimated him, really... They didn't think he was such an idiot.


So here it goes: **** you, Floyd Landis.

Source: https://eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de...to938484.shtml

rgerve

It's not Flandis' fault if the other riders didn't dope as well as he did.
He's the winner.

freeskihp

floyd gets the sash for the best doper

popluhv

Criswell predicts:

In the future, there will be no Chuck Norris Jokes, only "Floyd Landis is so manly..." jokes.

Serendipper 

....Ahhhhhhh, damn. I kinda hoped Glenda the Good Witch would bail him out! ****

So I guess it's confirmed....


Lance was the best doper of all eternity!

rgerve

+1

sivat

<russian accent>In cycling, the songs sing you!</russian accent>

carleton

Dude, I've been off of this thread for a long while. Sorry for the late response.

I am African American and YES, I do take offense to it in the various forms (with the "a", "az", as well as "er" endings). Even as a "term of camaraderie".

I grew up in Alabama (Mobile) and I've heard and seen a whole lot.

skanking biker

Ok--I need someone to explain this to me. He was tested mutliple times during the race and only 1 test came back positive. My (albeit remotely small) understanding of doping techniques is that you have to have a "course of treatment" just like any other drug for it to be effective. In other words, shooting yourself up with testosterone one time isn't going to have any noticable effect on your performance. If, in fact, he was doping to gain an advantage, it would seem logical that he did it more than once during the tour. This leads me to conclude: either 1) he wasn't doping and someone messed with the one sample or 2) he was doping during the entire race and all the other tests missed it. Neither seems to make much sense. What am I missing here? I am not trying to defend the guy if indeed he was doping. But something just doesn't seem to make sense here.

dutret

What you're missing:
-testosterone could have an effect if taken once to aid in recovery/mindset.
-It would be very easy for the other tests to have missed his doping just as they missed the rest of the peleton's and then caught him when he messed up his own doping.

skanking biker

Ok, so you are saying testosterone CAN have a "one hit" effect? I'm not trying to argue, I just don't know.

Your second comment seems to pressume everyone dopes and only those that screw up masking it get caught----I think that is by far the best explanation for all the diping scandals in professional sports.

cavit8

There are ways to fool most of the tests. Injecting epitestosterone will decrease the T/E ratio for example. I wondered if he'd done an autologous transfusion, bonking one day then coming back like a maniac the next. Even if he did a one hit wonder of testosterone, I've always wondered what the placebo effect of that would be. Not saying testosterone is placebo, but as skank suggested, a course would be most effective rather than one blip.

Regardless his name is mud. But not to Bob Roll. Nothing less than a confession will convince Bob https://www.olntv.com/tdf/ Now that's evidence-based reporting for you.

sloppy robot

im with bob.. it makes no sense.. im all for conspiracy on this one

BEARPAW!!!

...and all cyclists will wear unisex tunics as there will be no gender specific clothing.

mattsimbols

yep.

i also took the stance for baseball awhile back that, who cares if guys dope if everyone's doping, at that point the playing field is level. im going to apply it here as well.

and, also where do you draw the line for performance enhancing? i could argue that floyd wouldn't have done sh*t without cortizone.

eurotrash666

excellent article. a breath of fresh air, really.

progre-ss

An even playing field would be to let all the riders ride fixed with a flip/flop hub for the mountains and support vehicles carrying nothing but water and spare wheels. Cheating or not, it would make for a fun tdf.

sohi

yeah, like a classic race series. They do them for cars so why not for bikes? But the racers have
to smoke and would only get

skanking biker

Interesting editorial on the subject:
https://www.madison.com/archives/read...0608040492.php

SpiderMike

I've already lost count of the comments that the testosterone doping is helping my riding to work(or where ever).

dirtyphotons

either this guy is trying to be ironic, or he's really uninformed about testosterone, drug testing, and cycling.

quotes:

If there is one substance we know star athletes have been filled with from their earliest days, it is testosterone. That's why the locker room is such a boisterous, towel-flipping place.

But we also know this: Testosterone is a natural substance in the body. If you are going to ban testosterone from sports, we'll all be reduced to watching water ballet.

Of course, now a lot of people are upset because baseball players look too good.

acavengo

Thanks for saving me the trouble dirtyphotons. As much as I am still skeptical about the whole thing, this writer is not doing anybody any good.

cavit8

To call this writing is a bit of a stretch. "But banning testosterone from sports is just dopey. " ?? Just making his quota so he doesn't get his fat butt fired.

Landis is now also denying that the previous rationales were from him: https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/5254402.stm

Given that the tour de france comes and goes on the sport scene like the Loch Ness monster as far as the general public is concerned, it sort of begs the question if anyone really cares. What will knacker the TdF is whether or not any sponsor will want to put money behind a team. I can't imagine what a job marketing the TdF must be.