haha! so true.

nobody's like chimbly. but i find that most of the vegetarians i know are pretty unpreachy. it only takes one...

op, can't help you with your dilemma, but i'm one of the gajillion satisfied brooks riders. best of luck deciding and enjoy the bike.

Just don't get peta involved with this stuff.

for some vegetarianism or veganism is just a diet, for others its for others it effects everything they consume. Don't bash anyone for their choice of being or not being one.

spud...from wiki: Veganism (also known as strict vegetarianism or pure vegetarianism) is a philosophy and lifestyle that avoids using animals and animal products for food, clothing and other purposes. In practice, a vegan (an adherent of veganism) commits to the abstention from consumption or use of all animal products, including meat, fish, poultry, honey, eggs and dairy products, as well as articles made of fur, wool, bone, leather, feathers, pearls, nacre, coral, sponges and other materials of animal origin. Many vegans also avoid products that have been tested on animals.
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veganism is more than a diet. i don't want to feed the flames of this arguement, nor did i want to start it in my initial post. that is why i said my piece, gave suggestions, and peaced. whether you agree with not eating meat/using saddles, telling someone to just eat meat, or something about allen edmunds or some **** doesn't do anything but get me annoyed. perhaps that is the point, but why? do i go into your threads and tell everyone not to eat meat? no. i don't. I wish you'd have the respect to do the same. kid wanted answers to a question. not comments on a vegetarian lifestyle.

Personallyl (and no offense to anyone) i think vegetarians are half assed. not eating flesh, but wearing skin seems contradictory to me. (and chimbly, nothing but love...i'm just saying) but it's just that. contradictory. if you can live with yourself for doing it, who am i really to yell at you about it? no one. I probably will try to start a discussion to try to figure out WHY you still wear leather and help you with alternatives. I"m just like that. I really don't think i'm a dick. talk to me outside of the internets and maybe you'll agree. (that would be where someone that knows me backs me up)

but to recap.
we've got the selle italia lorica saddles (and selle san marco, too)
the specialized body geometry (which seems to be highly regarded)
a bunch of velo saddles (but not all, if you go to a shop, the qbp catalog willtell you which)
any carbon saddle (but with varying degrees of comfort
certain fizik saddles
some wtb saddles

pretty much ranging form $20 all the way to $200. no real need for leather

-jason

I think what spud is getting at is that veganism/vegetarianism aren't clubs that you get kicked out of for breaking the rules. It's a personal decision, and the only judgement you should have to deal with on that front is your own.

thanks for the comments on a vegetarian lifestyle.

i don't know if that was sarcasm or not, but that's kind of how in construe it. again, to reiterate things, what i write is how i feel. my feelings are not the "end all, be all". i'm just a guy that has hope for things. i don't really care what other people (on a personal level) so, but i want them to be aware of what they're doing. I don't know. now i'm the bad guy and people get to jump on me.

have at it
-jason

I'm not sure you'd want to, probably too gamey.

I'm vegetarian and have a couple brooks which I love. While I don't eat meat I feel that there are some leather things which just don't have alternatives such as boots and sexy British saddles.

Im vegan and I wear wool items and have a leather sella italia saddle.
I mean its all to the person themselves as to how far they want to go with there ideals.
I think the whole being vegan and not wearing wool is ********, your not killing an animal just giving thema hair cut and saying hey can I use your hair? And making a spiffy warm sweater.
If you didnt cut there hair they would either die from being unable to live life productively with all that untamed hair in the way , its just like haveing a garden only its a living garden you use to make seaters

but thats me Im vegan and I dont "wear" leather, only have leather saddle and staps...I mean you pick and choose your own battles as a vegan/vegetarian.
to each there own
hope it helps

Brooks saddles taste a lot better than their synthetic alternatives. Personally, I refuse to consume anything which does not come from the earth i.e. synthetics.

exactly, buy used

first off, samsa...a brief snippet "Perhaps I should start with the most obvious myth. Sheep need to be sheared. OK, so sheep do grow wool naturally. This is where the parallel between myth and truth stops. Sheep grow wool as protection for themselves. As a result, they have evolved to grow just enough wool for protection from the cold and to keep cool in the summer. Wild sheep do not need to be sheared. Their time of shedding occurs when it is of benefit to them. In Australia, domestic sheep are shorn in spring, after lambing, before they would naturally shed their winter coats. To get all the shearing done in time, it starts before it is healthy for the sheep. As a result, an estimated one million sheep die from exposure after premature shearing. Not only is the time of shearing unsuitable for the sheep, but the way in which it is done can be quite damaging for the sheep;"...flies feed on shearing wounds or the thin, exposed skin which delays wound healing or causes wounds..."

and Robb...i call bull****. not consuming synthetics is just a gross perversion of any reality. if you really want to boil it down, most pesticides are synthetic...you don't eat produce? but yeah, aside from that, i just HIGHLY doubt that is true.


BUT, i have definitely used leather saddles in the past. both used and free. never paid for a leather saddle. (and freeganism sucks, so don't call me that) it is what you make it.

get a brooks or dont.. but the "used is ok" argument is the worst

Don't forget Proofide contains tallow, cod oil and beewax (those bees suffered to make it)

Al

found roaming the wilds of NZ. dude had like 30 lbs of wool, all matted and nasty.

get the brooks.

Let's just take a step back and realize how ridiculous this is: "An escaped sheep in New Zealand had 30 lbs of matted, nasty wool. Therefore, you should get a brooks saddle for your bicycle."

That is all.

agreed. well played nat.

Turn this sheep into a gigantic sheep hat and I will be a very happy man.

in all jokingness, i kinda want to push it down a hill and watch it roll

whoa there, whoa there.

B did not spring from A. it was "hey look at this silly animal" and a statement of personal opinion.

Alpacas are also silly animals

Dude, brooks saddles are made out of the skins of cows that died from old age after a happy and full life out in the wild.


Ok, they are not. Do you really care? How much better is it to buy a sythetic saddle? Then the manufacturing process probably caused a fair bit more pollution than leather... which makes animals and humans suffer on the long run. And even more so when the saddle wears out (happens a lot sooner with a sythetic one) and gets thrown out. Leather is at least somewhat biodegradable.

What animal lends its hide for saddles? If a cow, then it seems pretty likely that the animal won't be killed for your saddle. It will die anyway because I want to eat its meat. The skin either goes to a landfill or you sit on it. Not much of a drama. I'll take the responsibility for the murder It's not like when 60 chinchillas are killed for a coat that gets worn 6 times.

true, so true. i wanna punch it in the face for being so silly.

personally, i find giraffes to be the silliest of all God's creatures:



that or flounder


ok seriously, i'm done now.