wow that hub is huge on the table

huh? Why would ss cogs need a wider base then what is available today?


no it would be a freehub.

WI = Raleigh of Nottingham for a new millennium. Great stuff, but all proprietary. I hope their story ends differently.

Somebody wake me up when there is bolt-on equivalent of a formula (modded MTB fronts don't count).

Level hubs are bolt on cogs.

And they are prototyping a bolt on freewheel as well.

Level are 3x what formulas cost, run a proprietary cog, and have nonstandard chainline. I could probably live with one of the above, but by their powers combined, funkdat.

Umm, we're talking about fixed hubs here. Of course there are splined ss freehubs, that's not an "idea".

Langdolier: if you have a 135 frame, here's one (sort of). SS threads on the other side.

pmp hub small.bmp
https://www.pmpbike.net/bike.php/p-6x...e-1/indice.htm

I was talking about two things and got confused.

1. a standard freehub body that would fit on the WI splines. Probably not possible due to the size of the splines.
2. Just using the standard shimano hub splines that normal freehubs interface with since these are small enough. Probably not ideal for fg but I bet they would work( I haven;t heard complaints about the fixxer).

Looks really nice, but spacing won't work for most of us and the chainline is wrong. I'm talking about off the rack stuff, not a kludge.

Costs as much as a Phil, jingus cog setup, flanges are kind of narrow.

Splined and Threaded cogs.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2007...ixed_gear_cogs

weird I wonder why those are there.

Wow. Pretty interesting and pretty ********. I mean, who wants to risk stripping a hub only to be able to use a cog that will also work with a splined eno hub? People don't change cogs around between hubs much. And I'm guessing this will be a fair bit more expensive than a comparable threaded cog as well.

I'm guessing they are some sort of artifact.

I think all these cogs will be threaded. The two photos are clearly from the same photo session with the beads etc. And you can see in the photo that the cogs have the tip of the splines chopped off in a circle, unlike the chainrings. I.e. I think they're threaded, only the pic isn't sharp enough to see.
Have been wrong before, though.

The fun part is that you pay for the threading when you buy one of these things...

Edit: or not. In the linked pic, 3 are threaded, one appers not to be.

Let me see if I can clarify a few issues or questions that have been bantered about. First, will be offering a splined fixed gear hub and the mating fixed gears hopefully this summer. We are still testing the product to make sure that there are no unforeseen problems. The interface between the fixed gear and the hub is tight and we do not expect the have any problems with play based upon our experience with our crank spline/chainring interface.

Some of the comments revolved around the proprietary spline issue. Our spline is not propietary. We made the decision not to mimic Shimano. The splines Shimano utilizes usually are patented and they may or may not license their technology to other manufactures. We simply did not wish to involve ourselves with product that we could or couldn't make predicated upon their designs. We developed our spline and it is open for any other manufacture to use. Boone currently manufactures chainrings that fit our cranks and we have been in discussions with Phil Wood and Paul Components about utilizing a spline fixed hub and cog design.

The question was asked why did we feel it necessary to introduce a splined fixed gear hub. The reason is because there are many problems with threaded cogs stripping hub shells. It is fairly costly to replace the hub and rebuild a wheel when this happens, and we feel we have a solution that will address the problem. The splined interface allows for a tight fit between the hub shell and the cog. The lock ring synches down and holds the cog in place. It is simple and effective. The intent of the design was not for ease of switching out gears, however, the bottom line is, it is much easier and is an added bonus.

1. Will there be a freewheel?
2. Why not bolt on?
3. Why are the cogs pictured threaded on the splines?

We'll have to make a list of the companies that are not on BF now. Not that that's a bad thing, of course.

I'm really curious why it isn't bolt-on (i.e. ISO disc brake pattern). If you're all for a useful product for the customers, why not think before you manufacture it? It's a helluva lot easier to drill a cog, even at home, than to manufacture splined ones. And a certain company called Boone makes some already. And the system is tried and tested, no tool needed for cog changes, I'm guessing the hub would be pretty cheap to make. Basically nick some hub shells from whichever MTB maker and make a 120/42 axle kit for it.

1. Yes, the hub will be a flip/flop hub ie fixed on one side - freewheel on the other
2. We will not offer a bolt on style fixed cog hub since Level is already manufacturing a bolt on style hub and they have patents on the design.
3. Why the internal splines? Well, the photos you are looking at are prototypes. We took several prototype threaded fixed gear cogs we made and machined splines into the cogs for the show. Production pieces will not have the internal threads. It would be nice if it could work with either system, but the minimal thread contact on the splined cog would strip a threaded hub shell.

I'll check back to see if there are any additional questions. I usually do not jump into forum conversations, but it seemed some clarification was necessary with our product. If you would like to contact me directly with any questions, please feel free to do so. My e-mail is lynette@whiteind.com

Thanks
Lynette

No I meant will there be a freewheel made to fit the splines or are they too large? I guess the answer is no. To bad really since that seems like the only reason to choose splines over bolt on(I'm guessing the level patent doesn't cover all bolt on cog systems just theirs but I am not going to research it.)

I, for one, am happy to see this development. Keep up the good work, White Industries.

Level don't own the ISO disc standard, that's for sure - somebody else may own it tho.

They could still patent attaching a toothed cog to a bicycle wheel with multiple bolts. And then hope to cow anyone else who did so into submission. My guess is their patents are related to the specific locking bolt system they use though.

Yeah. Miche hubs develop play as carrier wears out. In the pic it would seem that the carrier plate is machined into hub body. Bad Idea. It seems that White Ind. are developing a approx. $300+ hub that may last six monts.

Since then, I've had to retract that one... this is only roughly similar to the Miche interface, and there's no reason to suppose it won't be bombproof.
It's still silly for a few other reasons.