critical mass attack?
#51
Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk
Wow, I honestly didnt even see those quotes (been awake 2 days). My point still stands that you cant argue no one cares when the original victim obviously didnt either. After seeing this video I wonder if they tried to stop her when they first saw the erratic driving and why/how did the biker leave after the accident.
this is for dustin (taken from Burd on FGG forum)

this is for dustin (taken from Burd on FGG forum)

#52
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Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk
After seeing this video I wonder if they tried to stop her when they first saw the erratic driving and why/how did the biker leave after the accident.
#53
Originally Posted by cc700
if it were a man who got his car beat up i would have the same view of the situation, i doubt the media would be handling it similarly.
i got 20 says those kids wouldn't have been so quick with the u-locks if it had been a man instead of a woman and two kids. chicken**** to wil out on a chick with kids - bottom line
#55
Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
looks like the van has tinted windows. i doubt the bikers had any idea
sorry adam, i'm not buying that. vans with smoked glass aren't full-on gangsta tints that you can't see through, and the law prevents windshields from being tinted at all.
whatever though - i feel like CM brings out the worst in everyone, drivers and cyclists. it's a confrontational thing, and tempers get heated, people do things they normally wouldn't. i really feel it's now totally counter-productive, sets cops against cyclists in general, pisses people off in general, and achieves absolutely nothing positive to offset that.
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Originally Posted by jeac
please dont turn this thread into an argument over critical mass and "civil disobedience."
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to say Critical Mass is a political event anymore is a pretty thin statement. it seems that a majority of participants could care less about any sort of political action or message, they are simply out to take back a bit of authority for all the times they've been threatened by a car.
The woman was obviously freaked out, swarmed by droves of cyclists @ 9pm? She was scared, she tried to leave the 'scene' because its obviously no place for a car. Cyclists swarm, they get bumped, and there's the excuse to exact 'revenge.' Its a shame that both parties are trying to spin themselves into victims.
Both should take responsibility, and we should all look forward to this happening again next month... I'll see you there!
The woman was obviously freaked out, swarmed by droves of cyclists @ 9pm? She was scared, she tried to leave the 'scene' because its obviously no place for a car. Cyclists swarm, they get bumped, and there's the excuse to exact 'revenge.' Its a shame that both parties are trying to spin themselves into victims.
Both should take responsibility, and we should all look forward to this happening again next month... I'll see you there!
#58
i'm willing to bet that on the bike side, there was one escalator with a u-lock, a dozen angry people, and a few hundred people acting perfectly rational.
i'm also willing to bet that on the car side, there was one person driving in a threatening and possibly dangerous manner.
who's to say what any of us would have done in any of those shoes?
maybe, just maybe, those of us who weren't there can withhold the harsh judgement.
i'm also willing to bet that on the car side, there was one person driving in a threatening and possibly dangerous manner.
who's to say what any of us would have done in any of those shoes?
maybe, just maybe, those of us who weren't there can withhold the harsh judgement.
#59
it's not harsh to say that this kind of publicity tars us all as cyclists. clearly no-one was hurt, whatever the nature of the "collision," and attacking a car with women and kids in it is lame. it doesn't help anyone advocating for cyclist rights, it reinforces the negative perception the cops have of cyclists, and if i get hit on my bike i want the cops who come to the scene to be supportive of my claims, not assuming i'm some kind of radical ne'er-do-well who got what was coming to him
#63
i agree with you, eddie. i think it's worthwhile to condemn that behavior without writing off all of critical mass - mostly because the people i've known who have been enthusiasts of CM have been decent, wonderful, kind, respectful, and smart people who wouldn't stand for that **** that happened in SF.
#66
Originally Posted by Surferbruce
i think i'm going to hit the santa monica critical mass tonight. anyone else going?
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In my experience these things don't happen without being provoked I think the woman is enhancing her truth to make herself seem more innocence
I think she had something to do with provoking the cyclists
I think she had something to do with provoking the cyclists
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Not to beat a dead horse. But I saw the whole "Critial Smash" minivan scenario go down. The woman knew she hit the cyclist - she hit her brakes before she hit the gas. The cops on the scene wouldn't let the cyclist press "hit and run" charges unless he took an ambulance ride. He said "F-that, that's bullsh*t" and rode off. You can read my account here: www.urbandelicious.com .
FYI - Matier and Ross are working on another 1 sided Critical Mass story about a limo driver.
There's a political slant to this whole thing: The decision on healthy Saturdays in GGP takes place April 9 which Matier opposes and is trying to
push anti-bike sentiment. Otherwise none of these stories would had even made the news.
FYI - Matier and Ross are working on another 1 sided Critical Mass story about a limo driver.
There's a political slant to this whole thing: The decision on healthy Saturdays in GGP takes place April 9 which Matier opposes and is trying to
push anti-bike sentiment. Otherwise none of these stories would had even made the news.
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From: i aint dh no mo'
Originally Posted by Rusty Valiant
Everyone check out the expression on the face of the guy running over the Russian. He is clearly saying 'OH NOES'



