yeah - bad installation.

hey, though, your hub isn't toast. take off the lockring and cog, clean and re-grease the threads, and reinstall.

what! that sounds worse than a suicide hub. the threads for the lockring are smooth. i could put a freewheel on it but then where would be the fun in that? im a fixie addict now

what?

i'm telling you to reinstall your track cog, you fixie addict. the fact that it slipped does not mean that you've stripped the threads. and you should grease the threads - grease is what makes you able to tighten threaded interfaces tightly enough against each other, and preserves the interface, meaning you can later remove something like a cog, and put it on again.

i know i stripped the threads because there were strips of wire when i removed it. i knew about the grease thing tho but thanks

praise god you only stripped the formula and not the campy....

yea well in reality it was my bike shop man but i can still be accountable because i didn't buy a lockring wrench until a week before it stripped. btw you remind me i have to repack my campy hubs. thanks. the old formula hub i had on my Open Pros is holding up fine no slips or at all since i installed it myself. i did 180 skids, skids, and skips on it with bout 25lbs in my bag and its fine so i feel like im getting better with wrenching skills now. i was really thinkin about pulling the trigger on some Phil Woods to match the smoothness of the aerospoke hubs(they will probably be better tho) but not too sure yet. i found them double fixed on https://www.spicercycles.com/index.cg...cat_desc=Track
for $158 which is the cheapest i've found so far. but i dunno if its really worth it. what do you think?

yeah an improperly installed cog can strip because if there's any play that just magnifies the force. over time it'll fatigue the metal regardless of your hub/cog quality. it almost makes more sense this happened after a while then right away, if it wasn't tight enough.

I think there must be some 'bedding-in' time with all hub/cog combos. My Suzue Promax/phil cog combo was fine for a week and then *slip*. Loosened it all off and then tightened heavily and all has been fine for months now.

yeah, you need to tighten it up after riding it for a bit--I think you put much more force on the cog while riding than you do when installing the first time.

as for hub smoothness, I'm not one to say, gyeswho, how good phils are--all I know is that people absolutely love them. (shrugs) that doesn't mean nothing, though, because people love all sorts of irrationally expensive things.

lolz

yea that's very true. sorta like my aerospoke even tho i got it for $220 so i got a lil bit of a deal on it.

i weigh 215 ish and sometimes carry up to 30lbs of stuff with me and i have NEVER had an issue. (besides once i used a stamped cog) I ussually just roto-fix my surly cog on preeeeeeetty tight, then tighten the living hell out of my formula lockring.

all things are good.

roto-fix is awesome! a good $20 -30 saved because of it.

thinkin about it. i know why it stripped. the man uses a chisel and hammer to tighten things. i guess since it worked for him all these years (he's about 60 and an ex asian track champ) it would work for me. only diff is im probably 30-40 heavier. im 5'11 and he looks about 5'7 or 8

Please don't go to this bike shop anymore.

Thanks.

for hub work at least

+1

Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but the problem may have just been a crappy hub (meaning your particular hub, not formulas in general, was faulty) and not the installation.

The bearings in Formula hubs seem like total butter to me. I really can't imagine that Phils would spin any smoother. They will give your bike that extra bit pimp of factor though, to be sure.

While we're on the topic, does anyone think it's worth my while to reinstall my track cog and grease the threads, or should I just leave it, 'what's done is done'? I didn't use any grease when I put it on a month or two ago. If there's an increasing chance that it could cease onto the hub the longer I ride it then I'll definitely wanna grease the sucker.

The bearings in Formula hubs seem like total butter to me. I really can't imagine that Phils would spin any smoother. They will give your bike that extra bit of pimp factor though, to be sure.

While we're on the topic, does anyone think it's worth my while to reinstall my track cog and grease the threads, or should I just leave it, 'what's done is done'? I didn't use any grease when I put it on a month or two ago. If there's an increasing chance that it could cease onto the hub the longer I ride it then I'll definitely wanna grease the sucker.