Most likely English isn't his first language.

I live close by to the seller in SouthCarolina, I may try to get up with them this weekend and look them over, I need a new 'beater'... price is right hard to tell from the photos I've seen...I'll let ya'll know what I find out.

I'm on the verge of going for it.

i got a response from the shop.

i asked if there were 52cms and this is what he said.
"WE DO HAVE THE ARE MARK 54CM BUT THE ARE 52CM CENTER TO CENTER"
your guess is as good as mine.

also he says the frame and fork are 4.9 pounds.

i used to live in g'ville, and may know somebody who can find out about the frames and the seller. i'll post up what i find out....

What the heck else are you supposed to do with a Peugeot? (Assuming it's not a PX-10)

so who's going to dive on the grenade?

"WE DO HAVE THE ARE MARK 54CM BUT THE ARE 52CM CENTER TO CENTER"
your guess is as good as mine.

You need to guess at what that means?

Seriously, I think the main if not sole reason why the Chilean guy hasn't had an eBay sale yet is because of the general stereotype of half-assed Latin American labour and construction, which has its basis in some truth but is pretty unwarranted in most cases. Combine that with the distrust of eBay, and it's tough to sell. Lots of people have sprung for one of those Leader frames made by some anonymous factory somewhere in Asia though, because Asians can manufacture, right? I could be wrong on the origin of the Leader frames, but I doubt it.

looks like he has come to us!

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=339298

sparton frame
 

Hi
Is been hard to get feed back since most of the frame trhat I sold the been pay right on paypal buy now
but the are real good this frame could very well sell for over 299.00 but I want you all to see what a good deal this is
Thank you
Sparton Frame

as the one web posting I could find referencing sparton seemed to be focused on singlespeeds and the "track ends" don't look like they could accomodate a chain pull I wonder whether these weren't specifically designed to be fixed gears?

antoniogil, I've emailed you a few times asking some questions and have yet to get a single answer.

So, if I order a 54cm, I'm actually getting a 52cm? Does that mean I need to order a 56cm to get a 54cm? Would you mind posting "more" pictures of the frames? If you have plenty sitting around, it shouldn't be too much trouble to send more pictures. Is there any chance you have a white frame? And is the red frame only available with vbrakes?

I don't care about the "relaxed" geometry. I don't ever intend to ride this on the track. It will be a great commuter bike and will only be ridden as such.

Youre gonna have to learn to write on his level.

There is no ****ing way that is right. Scale pic please. For a steel frame that cheap, 7lb sounds more plausible for frame and fork.

dude, it's 4130, not hi-tensile.

Last time I looked they had changed the description so it indicates it's heavier... somewhere in the 7 lb range if I remember correctly.

straight guage or butted?

Is that for a normal size frame with paint or a 35cm frame without paint.

Butted costs. 4.9Lb is 2.27Kg. This is actually really light. Butted material ups the cost, so that makes that unlikely. Hell, if the frame weighs 1800, the fork would weigh 470g. If the fork weighed a more reasonable 800g (even that's pretty light for a cheap lugged fork) the frame would weigh 1470g. See the bull**** factor anywhere here. There is next to no chance of a cheap lugged frame (lugged=heavier) and fork coming in at 2.27kg. I could believe 3kg. (6.6Lb)

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I wonder if you do have a life you
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lol wtf

I just checked ebay and it looks like the frame will cost you $225 shipped. In that price range, I'm thinking an iro, cayne uno or khs frame would be a better option. The guy had a great price point at $180 shipped.

Okay, I got one of these "Sparton" frames off ebay. Thought it might be a fun project bike, and what the heck, it was under 200$, lugged steel, and I have most of the parts lying about. My last project was an build of a 1971 Schwinn Paramount, and I figured I wouldn't have to worry about getting proper parts on this one-- I could just spend the next couple months building it. I'll report as dispassionately as I can on it, and believe it will be a fun bike.

The good:
1) Lugged Steel. The brazework is pretty clean, although, as other posters have mentioned, you can see file marks on the lugs on close observation. The file marks are not a dealbreaker, IMO.

The confusing:
1) Rear drops on mine are spaced at 126mm
2) I ordered a 60cm frame. The frame I got is stamped 60 on both the bottom bracket shell and the fork steerer tube. In reality, the frame measures to about 58cm center to center, so the frames appear to be a touch undersized, as wondered earlier in the post.
3) My scale weighs the frame and fork at 8 pounds. That's about the same as a gas pipe, 63cm 1970's Paris Sport frame I have laying about (the Sparton weighs out slightly heavier than the Paris Sport). I meant to weigh a 60cm Reynolds 531 1970's Lejeune frame for comparison, but forgot; I'll ammend this post in the next couple of days. This makes me wonder about the claims to cro-moly. Also, if my scale is correct (it's been pretty acurate in the past) it would appear the frame and fork are about a pound and half heavier than claimed.

The irritating:
1) The fork is not drilled for a brake, as claimed.
2) The fork crown has not been cut down to 26.4 and there is no way, stock out of the box, you will fit a standard BSC fork crown race on it. I'll have to cut it down.
3) The fork does not have a keyway cut for the washer on most threaded headsets.
4) It's hard to tell at this point, but the fork may not be threaded down far enough. I've done measurements, and measured out the stack height of a Shimano 105 HS I intended to install, and it is very close, I may have to cut more thread on the fork.
5) The rear drops are about 2mm out of alignment. The measurements were done with a Park frame alignment gauge, for those interested. In practice, I've found this out-of line is usually not enough to affect bike performance, but it is there.

In addition, the decals are largely fugly (that was opinion) but are not under clearcoat and can likely be removed by application of goo gone (that may be fact). I'll report on this. I like the headbadge, so I'll keep it.

I intend to:
1) Cold set the rear drops so they're in line and at 120.
2) Run a Fork crown race cutter over the fork crown.
3) Given the state of the fork crown, I'll face and ream the head tube, and face and run a tap thru the bottom bracket. The head tube shows signs of having been reamed and faced, and the bottom bracket has been tapped and looks to have been faced. Given the fork, I'd rather do these operations myself and be sure they are done right.
4) Drill for a brake.
5) Set up and ride. This is the best test of a bike.

I may run it with a carbon fiber fork (NOS one inch threaded) I had lying in the parts pile for a bit, because the most irritating part of this is the deficiences in the fork.

I'd say what you get here is a bike that's an equivalent of a Peugeot UO8 or other bike boom model. Given the expense of those on the used market these days, this may be a suitable substitute. My impression is that beginning riders should not buy this bike unless they have a friend who is awfully handy with bike tools and has access to some more specialized ones.

Me, I'll likely have fun with it, but eventually, I'll likely sell the frame and move some of the parts over to a Soma Delancy, or whatever Soma's lugged SS frame is.

Hopefully, others will post their experiences here, and have less in the way of issues than mine did. I'll report back in over the next few weeks (I take my time on these things, it's not like a need a bike right now or anything) with some more info.

sounds like crap

lolololololololol

pretty much. I'm disappointed. I was hoping the chilean would surprise us all and be making badass lugged frames on the cheap.

So, if you know a lot about bikes, like Poquemahon, you are fine. If any hipsters buy it, they are going to be S.O.L.; it sounds like a ripoff.