South American Frames on eBay?
09-03-07 | 10:22 PM
#27
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jesus christ - give me a break. I've had the frameset for several weeks and have been riding it - the wheels and the rest of the parts are from a previous build. This is what I get for helping out. haha.
09-06-07 | 09:20 AM
#28
Legendary Mmeber
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If ur thinking of buying one he'll do deals for more than one frame. Me and my mate are getting frames and he dropped the price to 150 juat after I asked. Although shipping will probably cost a bomb.
Not bad for a brand new track frame, this is my first build so maybe its a good thing its not great quality.
Not bad for a brand new track frame, this is my first build so maybe its a good thing its not great quality.
09-06-07 | 01:15 PM
#33
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Ha Haw! Yeah! What's up with these foreigners and their lousy grasp of English! I can't believe these South Americans know anything about building Lugged, Steel Frames, much less use the Internet.
09-06-07 | 04:11 PM
#35
CICLETO
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From: Santiago ,Chile
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09-06-07 | 04:37 PM
#36
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Bikes: Univega Gran Record, Pinarello Treviso, Powerlite BMX, Schwinn Cuiser, Scwhinn Stingray.
09-06-07 | 06:40 PM
#37
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just saw this in framebuilders forum regarding Sparton-
HI...
Those frames are made in CHILE. I know the owner because back in the day they sponsored a team and stuff. Well, as somebody said, good paint, the brassing is well done...
To be sincere with u guys here in the forums i might add that there is 1 frame builder in chile that is the master of all of the other ones (in chile back in the day there were 4 good frame builders, probably the guy that is brasing for sparton is one of them). His name is Samuel Del Valle. His family have been doing frames for 70+ years. He was one of the 1st ones to make funny bikes and had made aero stuff just like yamaguchi for example but with out a "machina." No jigs on his work, all hand made stuff. very simple tools. His job have been recognized by colnago and pinarello itself. Why he is not famous then? Well he always loved his country, pinarello offered him a job back in the 80's on his factory developing stuff but he refused the position and came back to chile. Friends with Macario i must say (probably nobody knows macario here in the us, well probably old builders know) and the 2 old guys that were building bikes for cinelli back in the day in italy.
Probably this could be the subject of a theread but in south america nobody is doing hand made finest racing bikes anymore, in a matter of fact in chile nobody is building custom bikes anymore. I talked with del valle 2 years ago and one of his apprentices that went undependant 20 years ago and none of them have build a frame from scratch in years. Why? simple, it is cheaper go to the store and get a frame there. In chile u can get an aluminum frame for 150 bucks with the fork included. It is not a colnago but it works for racing somehow. So in south america the art of frame building is practically dead.
I still have my old columbus sl he built fr me 20 years ago, needs paiting thats all.
Im sure that when del valle leaves earth for someting better i will regret have not learned enough from him during all those days i spend in his shop talking and teasing about the race next week or about the tour de france.
Thanks.
ps: About the geometry is more like a road bike, like 72 something in the fork and 73 something in the seat tube, square sizes. If the frames have the same measures of the frames i knew from them, the bb is like 27 something centimeters high, u can ride in adt w/o any problems if that is what u want to know
Those frames are made in CHILE. I know the owner because back in the day they sponsored a team and stuff. Well, as somebody said, good paint, the brassing is well done...
To be sincere with u guys here in the forums i might add that there is 1 frame builder in chile that is the master of all of the other ones (in chile back in the day there were 4 good frame builders, probably the guy that is brasing for sparton is one of them). His name is Samuel Del Valle. His family have been doing frames for 70+ years. He was one of the 1st ones to make funny bikes and had made aero stuff just like yamaguchi for example but with out a "machina." No jigs on his work, all hand made stuff. very simple tools. His job have been recognized by colnago and pinarello itself. Why he is not famous then? Well he always loved his country, pinarello offered him a job back in the 80's on his factory developing stuff but he refused the position and came back to chile. Friends with Macario i must say (probably nobody knows macario here in the us, well probably old builders know) and the 2 old guys that were building bikes for cinelli back in the day in italy.
Probably this could be the subject of a theread but in south america nobody is doing hand made finest racing bikes anymore, in a matter of fact in chile nobody is building custom bikes anymore. I talked with del valle 2 years ago and one of his apprentices that went undependant 20 years ago and none of them have build a frame from scratch in years. Why? simple, it is cheaper go to the store and get a frame there. In chile u can get an aluminum frame for 150 bucks with the fork included. It is not a colnago but it works for racing somehow. So in south america the art of frame building is practically dead.
I still have my old columbus sl he built fr me 20 years ago, needs paiting thats all.
Im sure that when del valle leaves earth for someting better i will regret have not learned enough from him during all those days i spend in his shop talking and teasing about the race next week or about the tour de france.
Thanks.
ps: About the geometry is more like a road bike, like 72 something in the fork and 73 something in the seat tube, square sizes. If the frames have the same measures of the frames i knew from them, the bb is like 27 something centimeters high, u can ride in adt w/o any problems if that is what u want to know
09-06-07 | 11:13 PM
#38
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From: Williamsburg, Tennesse.
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I'm half-Chilean. My father is from Santiago, and I have plenty of family there. Haven't been, but I plan to do some serious visiting in the future. Maybe take my daughter.
Reading the Junior High grade humor on the badly translated text, not to mention the whole "I can't believe anyone would buy a Bicycle made in South America [what, the Western world are the only sorryasses to know how to make a bike? One of my friends has a track bike made in Columbia-looks dope! Makes him happy, cuz he's Colombiano too.] got on my jock. I can't stand little children making childish comments. It's a waste of time [like the internet, perhaps, but still...].
I called one of the guys, and I'm placing an order. They don't have my sizes yet. I'm looking foward to riding a Chilean made Track Frame in the streets of Elay. With effin' pride.
Oh, and Gueros? Cierra el hocico, cabron!
09-07-07 | 07:12 AM
#40
CICLETO
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09-07-07 | 07:13 AM
#41
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09-07-07 | 07:27 AM
#42
CICLETO
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09-07-07 | 07:30 AM
#43
CICLETO
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09-07-07 | 07:42 AM
#44
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09-07-07 | 07:58 AM
#46
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i know the workshop and he is the real thing,you get measured up and only then the frame is built,the spokes are threaded in the workshop.
Some friends have built their frames there,not me personally because i dont like steel,from what i been told he is always willing to answer questions "maestro Horacio"
Some friends have built their frames there,not me personally because i dont like steel,from what i been told he is always willing to answer questions "maestro Horacio"
