I don't know what qft means, and I'm not suggesting it has to be an iro. But I am suggesting it should be track geometry, and I think most people would agree with that.

The last group buy was for a frame that would be competitive on a track? Right?

Not particularly. It is a nice frame, but I think you might be making more of it in your mind than is reasonable.

yeah I probably am.
I want a raceable track frame.

Carbon track frame group buy? Proper aluminum track frame (Track Pro, Leader, Concept) group buy?

Get a Pista Concept.

Heres a few for ya Data:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSEN...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSEN...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Cro-Moly-Tra...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/sparton-track-fr...QQcmdZViewItem

barba: don't have the cash for the pista concept :).
brandune: thanks, I was looking at those leaders. I think it'd still be cool to get a good track bike group buy.

the first one definitely wasnt oragnized by anyone

im down for a kilo tt groupbuy but the group buy would need to be really cheap.
Bikeisland already sells the kilo tt frame for $145 with free shipping. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ils&ProdID=629

I'm guessing the KiloTTBD groupbuy would need to be sub $145 WITH fork to attract people.
Is $100 possible? If it was $100 I would most definitely jump at it.

Someone should contact BD and ask him how much he needs to sell at what price in order to make the profit that's worthwhile. Maybe we should make an equation?

[(groupbuy price) - (mfg price of bike)] * (# of buyers) = (% profit)
?

i'd be in for a kilo group buy too.

I would be down with a kilo tt frame and fork group buy. I'm looking to build one up anyway.

The problem with a BD group buy as that they already sell bikes and frames for as cheap as they possibly can. Basically you are already getting a GB price from them. I highly doubt you'll get them to come down very much for a group buy..maybe 5% if anything, but not much more or they would be taking a loss.
Group buys work best with smaller operations, such as IRO, who make more of a profit from each individual sale and can drop their price a lot more if making a high volumes sale and still turn a profit. The group buy strategy works best with the small-timers.

I already have a bareknuckle, but I think an attempt at an EAI Bareknuckle group buy would be a really good idea. Go through one of the dealers, like thebikebiz or businesscycles, and see if you can negotiate a price for a volume purchase.

BFSSFGKTTBDGB!!! no logos, standard color options, just a good cheap blank frame and fork.

They just completed a CF road bike frame group buy, and we saved about 15%. But this was an offer on the "first" shipment of these new frames; not sure what Mike might work up for existing inventory, but might be work asking.

If you ask me, saving 15% on a $150 frame isn't worth waiting 4-6 months for.

I agree with the EAI Bareknuckle aswell want to pick one up this winter anyways.

Interesting. Can you explain why?

I'd be down for almost anything but I'd prefer a bareknuckle GB.

no bareknuckle GB!! There's no way I could justify spending that money, but I would have no choice. I f'ing love my bareknuckle. Maybe my girlfriend would buy it for me..

yes.. bareknuckle GB!

brassknuckle GB? at least it's cheaper.

I'm totally down for a kilo TT with fork buy. I'd buy at least 2. I dig the Fleur de Lis sticker, though.

too flexy (thought it was cause 'm a pretty heavy dude, until my sub 150lb friend said the same thing after riding it) + weird geometry (slack + low toptube + long wheelbase, yet there's still a ton of toe overlap). doesn't help that i made the mistake of going with a threaded fork (i'd probably dig it more if i could test some bar/stem combinations on the cheap/without doing a bunch of work). cheap paintjob (which sucks because, i think the color is the best thing about the bike).

pretty nice bike for long rides (i'll probably throw a freewheel and road drops on it at some point), but not great for city riding, IMO.

the funny thing is nobody agrees with me. guess i'm crazy, but i honestly think people are all into it because IRO's got street cred & they look nice.

+1

+1

On bikebiz its currently $605 for fork and frame.

Why not do a group buy for something decent like a Bob Jackson? Or even an EAI Barenuckle.