Exactly 500, as I recall.

Well as I said, I already contacted Mike from Bikes Direct about a CF and Ti track frame, as well as CF track wheels.

If you want my suggestion, contact these people. They seem to be a titanium importer, and they sometimes sell a track frame. If we could somehow order a few hundred of those frames for $600-ish, I think it'd be worth the effort.

man....if you're talking about getting cf frames for 800 or so, i am so out. i would rather get a normal frame for super cheap. i's po'! i can't put out a big chunk of change like that for something that impractical. a leader for 75? sure? an iro for 150? if i liked their geometry more, sure. 800 for something that's useless to most people that aren't racing on the track (i bet most of us aren't even near a velodrome)?

nah, let's be a bit more practical and populist with this, shall we? tubes are boring, and already cheap, but yeah....way better than a cf track frame.

+1

A mid level frame (like a Soma/IRO/etc...) for $150 woudln't even be a question for me, though. I have to imagine that this would be the case for most people interested in a group buy on a forum like this.

Low prices on high-priced frames will still be alot of $$$ and out of reach for most. If that wasn't the case, everyone would be riding around on Bareknuckles and the like already, IMO.

well, i'm in the market for a competitive track wheelset anyway. if something along the lines of a 50mm road wheel group buy has already been done, i'm willing to bet that it can be done again for track wheels.

even though my girlfriend will kill me, i'd still get down with a CF frame. however, there is nothing holding me back from a CF wheelset. i'm already looking, but if we can make something happen, you've got my money and my assistance.

Well, Mike says that he won't do a CF track bike, no reason why, but I suspect that others are right - he's afraid of warranty issues if these become fixed gear freestyle bikes, or suffer other misuse. He can do titanium, but it'll cost at least $750, which means I'm not interested. Would anyone else want a Ti track frame?

As for CF wheels, he wants to know if we want clincher or tubular. I assume we are all talking tubulars, right? I can't imagine that anyone who wants to spend $400 on track wheels is going to run clinchers, but I figured I should take the general consensus before I tell him for sure.

If you think that a carbon fiber or titanium track bike are too expensive, don't buy one, and organize your own group buy. Don't complain about our efforts.

ok, typically i would say tubular, but i just had the tubular vs. clincher argument again last week with a serious track champ around here. i have such a hard time arguing against experience. i dunno, i certainly don't see tubulars as being a hindrance. i vote tubular, but i suppose its not the end of the world if we wind up going clincher.
as for a Ti frame, i'm stupid lightweight, so i'm not super concerned about its being too flexy. i'd probably feel more comfortable on aluminum, though.

anyway, do you have any specs on potential carbon wheels? are we talking no name korean factory? i mean, i'm fine with that. rims only or complete wheelsets? spoke count options? hub options?

i'll stop with the annoying questions for now. thanks for looking into this, by the way!

Did this track champ run clinchers?

I don't know which wheels for sure, there are no specifics, but I'd assume that it's basically these wheels with track rather than road hubs. I believe that he has a deeper-dish wheel available, which might better suit track riders.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...a50mmsewup.jpg

think no name ty-wan or chi-nese, but the wheels, i would assume, would be like the road wheels, 20f 24r
or i would 32/32 3x.

Mike does seem to be receptive. We need to designate one POC so there aren't 5 or 6 people telling Mike, or anyone else, the same thing.

My opinion on GB figures:
The Kilo TT Pro frameset, if it's $200-225 and threadless will sell 250-350 frames
A titanium track frame for $600 will sell maybe 50, I would imagine closer to 30
Carbon track wheels, similar to those in the BD Christmas deals, with the 50mm tubular and 50mm clincher laced to Dura Ace track hubs would sell for between 4-500 and get maybe 30 buyers

I'm handing it over to bone, he seems to be half a step ahead of me =)

Oh, and everyone who wants a Kilo TT Pro, realize the first shipment of frames is 6 or so months out at this point, so a GB would be in the 7-9 month range...

Serendipper did a great job last time. I think he should do it again. I'm for the ti frame or the wheels, preferably tubs, as the price difference will be around 150.

that's good enough for me. i'm already running tubulars and i like 'em just fine.



well, i'm definitely in.

can't moderators run polls on here? I think that might be a good way to figure out what we're doing. a poll with guestimated prices, etc.

ehh. i thought it would be something cooler. like sweet seatposts(miche supertype) or something. the wheels(while awesome for people that race) are too crazy for me.

i like the frame idea better but i guess we've run out of new ideas that are doable.


i like some of the cane creek wheels though. however i wouldn't want to run tubulars.

i like all of this stuff. thanks everyone who is running this!

Although I threw in my hat for tubes, if there is a place to get them for cheap point me in the direction. I am currently paying $4.50 each and the last time I went to the shop I spent ~$100 and walked out of there with 20 tubes and some patch kits. Sad when I used to get patch kits for free and the same number of tubes for ~$20.

I like the Gatorskin idea too.

As for carbon wheelsets, although some of you race, I don't and would like to see if there was an option for clincher if possible. If not, no worries.

I'm less interested in carbon wheels and more interested in a lightweight fixed gear wheelset for both road and track. These fit the bill...http://www.amclassic.com/track_clincher.html.
1585 grams is pretty damn light for a deep dish aluminum track wheel. Most are well over 2000grams. The weight limit on these is 230 pounds. I don't know the retail, but I could build a similar wheel for $500 (maybe less) so they should be a lot cheaper than that for a GB.

I like these over the cane creek volos, because they are lighter, deeper rims, and have a more normal hub and spoke (i.e. easier to true and/or replace spokes)

Doesn't BD put a lot of American Classic wheels on their bikes? Maybe offer a carbon tubular and a light aluminum clincher.

^^-1 on the obnoxious logos. i hate stuff that says what it is real big everywhere. detracts from the aesthetic.

CF track frame for me please

those are just stickers that peel off. i have an AC wheelset. while it is light, i wish i had gotten a custom build. oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlDKLuCny8

I would love a group buy on a kilo or an iro frame maybe a some. Just need a affordable frame set and i think there are many others who think the same.

oh. okay.

What about non bike stuff, like knickers or bags. A little bike specific clothing company would enjoy 500 orders of pants/knickers/whatnot and I would enjoy some fine ass knickers. I've never looked into this stuff though, so I don't know any good manufacturers, though. Any thoughts?

Who makes those uber $$ front racks? They're like $130 for a rack. That wouldn't be bad either.

edit: BTW, petitioning bikesdirect to do a carbon fiber frame should be done either way.